No Sign of a Red Wave; Plenty of Signs of a Dobbs Wave

Not control of her body. Who is controlling her body? She can have as much sex as she wants with whoever she wants.. but her partners get the right to say I don’t want the kid. Pro choice just means only the women gets the choice and has control of the man’s money.

 

Not if the supreme court and Republican legislatures has their way!

 

Please notice I didn’t specify a gender in that statement. I hold both men and women responsible for having unprotected sex.

 

How so? Republicans and the SC are going to magically make it impossible to know how to stop pregnancies? It’s general, wide spread knowledge. Y’all can keep making up dystopian fear mongering rumors but it’s just not true.

 

If you are saying people should be forced to bear consequences by giving birth, that is control of your body. There's no way around that.

 

Did I miss the memo where conjecture was no longer permissible on an internet message board whose sole purpose was the exchange of differing opinions? Gonna have to delete 90% of the threads on here if that’s the standard.

Lemme know when these legislatures disallow the use of Viagra and Cialis because having a limp dick is “god’s will” like getting pregnant is.

 

You dont think the people trying to pass total bans are going to have an interest in regulating or banning birth control? Those nuts think wearing a condom is an abortion.

 

Child support begins after the child is born because it is for the child, not the mother. Once born, the issue of bodily autonomy is removed. The fact that both parents are responsible for an already born child does not mean that you have ownership over a mother's body in the interim.

 

I’m not asking for ownership of the mothers body. If the women gets to decide to have the baby against the man’s wishes, a baby that is half his, then he gets to say nope I don’t want to support it. If she chooses not to have the baby, then the man has no say. The women still gets complete control and complete say over her body and what happens with the baby. The man gets to decide if he wants to support the child or not.

 

To be clear you said the republicans and the SC . Are there nut jobs out there yea, but they are a minority as we saw in Kansas.

 

I mean, lots of men do decide not to support their child as it stands

 

Ar ewe not allowed to call dumb posts? Ones that are nothing but flamethrower g hyperbole that has no proof or basis?

 

Not legally they don’t. And they deal with the consequences of that choice.

 

Yes, when decided democratically people want legal abortion, when decided in non-democratic fashion by state legislatures and unelected courts, it gets banned or restrained, which is why the GOP has taken an anti-democratic turn. Its aims are incompatible with democracy.

 

The consequences are pretty minimal and easy to avoid, you cant really take money or support from people who don't have it and cant give it, and are willing to abdicate all their rights over a child. I think what you are arguing for is that people with the money and means to support a child shouldn't have to, because really that's who your proposal would protect.

 

I’ll put my intelligence and career accomplishments up against yours any day. I’ve never worshipped Trump. If you knew my opinion like you think you do you would know that I have often said that I would not want my sister dating him. What I liked were the majority of his policies. What I disliked was the ridiculous way he was vilified by the left and was guilty until proven innocent by you all for any and everything.

And don’t give me any of your usual democrat bullshit that he’s one of the few/only republicans that you hate. I’ve been around long enough to see your ilk do the same thing to every republican president or presidential candidate going back to Ford.

According to you all:
Ford was a klutz.
Reagan was a dunce.
Bush was an out of touch elitist.
Dole was mean.
George W was a privileged, drug addicted since.
McCain was your hero until he became a candidate for president. Then he was a hatemonger and racist.
Romney was an out of touch elitist and god forbid a Mormon.
Trump was all of the above as well as anything else negative that anyone could come up with.

 

Right now if I had to bet, the senate stays about a wash mainly because of the terrible slate of Republican candidates, the republicans pick up a few seats in the house but not nearly as many as they could have (even with Dobbs) had they focused on the economy and other top line items instead of still trying to make their fever dream of a stolen ‘20 election real, along with their almost fetishist attachment to orange Julias.
The dems finally, after nearly two years, got their act together and focused on those things instead of culture/race/gender war garbage that the vast majority of the country doesn’t care much about… though it might be too little too late.

 

Dead beat dads are often put in jail and wages garnished. What you are advocating for is that women get to decide if the baby lives or not, and they get to decide who pays for the baby. The man has zero say in the matter. The idea that men can just ignore their “responsibility” to pay for a child they didn’t want and that makes everything equal is asinine.
Women can choose not to have a baby if they don’t want it or can’t afford it. Men should have the exact same reproductive rights.

 

They do have the exact same reproductive rights, when a man conceives and gives birth he can choose to exercise them just like a woman. And when a woman knocks up a man, he can sue her for child support. No laws preventing any of that. If there's a double standard, blame biology, not the law.

There is really no way to implement what you want without giving a man some kind of veto power over a woman's choice. And for the people who dont like abortion, it seems like giving a man the ability to strong arm someone into an abortion by saying they will not financially support the child will create incentives for coercion, ones that will lead to more choices to abort a child, not less.

 

So it’s all about the money. Women have complete control and say over their body, over the child and also want control over the man’s income. At least we don’t have to pretend it’s all “my body my choice” anymore since y’all have made it clear it’s now Your Wallet my choice”.