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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

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    talk that both she in particular, and he had spoken out a bit recently against the gvt, so it may have been putin who did it. Added bonus that he can blame Ukraine and whip up some flagging patriotism.
     
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  2. chemgator

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    Russia may have been defeated by a security camera operated by a guy that sold postcards at a booth outside the Chernobyl nuclear plant. How ironic is that? Russia's incompetence in operating a nuclear power plant led to the area becoming a tourist attraction (the hard way), and a guy who lived in Kiev set up his own security camera to watch his postcard and souvenir sale operation remotely. Russia disabled all official security cameras in Chernobyl during the invasion so no one would see the long lines of tanks and military equipment heading towards Ukraine's capital. They missed the camera set up by tourist trap guy.

    Unexpected war warning system: Chernobyl tour's camera

    What are the odds that one of the greatest heroes of Ukraine's history turns out to be a postcard salesman? Even Clark Kent would be impressed. Reminds me of the movie "Top Secret" where the spy poses as a blind souvenir salesman on the street, hawking party favors and souvenirs until someone asks him for a certain (bizarre) item that causes him to reveal secret information.
     
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  3. submarine

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    This post by oragator is ridiculous. oragator can't name 1 lie Putin has told, he can't show evidence that Putin has assassinated any journalist or poisoned any politician. Why the anti-Putin hysteria?

    Putin is profoundly anticommunist.

    Russia has never been more democratic while the US is turning into the USSR.

    Reality: The killer was probably Natalya Vovk, who is associated with the Azov Nazis of Ukraine. The Azov Nazis are backed by America.
     
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  4. submarine

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    Putin is profoundly anticommunist. He didn't lose the cold war and he doesn't want to reconstitute the USSR. He thinks it was tragic that Russian-speakers were left behind in other countries when the USSR broke apart. Putin feels he should protect Russian-speakers/ethnic Russians. Ukronazis bombed Russian-speakers for 8 years in the Donbas and planned to invade that region with 100K troops in March. Putin stopped that from happening.

    Russia lost 23-32 million people because of WW2, a war started by Nazis. No way Putin would allow a Nazi dominated government supported by America on Russia's border.
     
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  5. docspor

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    so, does one need some special degree in pyro-lingusitics to create bombs that seek out Russian speakers?

    Also, you may want to consult a map there wiz kid.

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  6. uftaipan

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    I’m just curious. How many Russian soldiers do you think have been killed in this grand anti-Nazi crusade?
     
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  7. submarine

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    Ballpark 15,000 Russians killed. 200,000 Ukrainian troops killed.

    Russia and Ukraine were ready to sign a ceasefire agreement drafted in Beijing as I reported back in March. I knew someone involved inn the negotiations taking place in Istanbul and Rome. Biden had Boris Johnson go to Kiev to nix the deal. Zelensky told US would cut aid to Ukraine if he signed ceasefire agreement. US wanted to "press" Putin and bleed Russia. With the midterms coming up Biden team needed war to distract from the massive failure in Afghanistan.

    The US is now financing the Russians and Ukrainian militaries. Russia making so much money from high commodity prices resulting from sanctions that it's paying for its war expenses. If US wants to lessen money flowing to Russia they should lift sanctions.
     
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  8. exiledgator

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    I hope the pay is good
     
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  9. G8trGr8t

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    What does Putin pay for a shill like you to spread such obvious disinformation?
     
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  10. philnotfil

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    New member, few posts, praising Putin. Hmmmm.
     
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  11. submarine

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    Scott Ritter followed me on Twitter before he was banned. Scott Adams follows me on Twitter and has said I was his fav on showing the Russian perspective. @MoonofA has followed me. Former NR editor John O'Sullivan follows me. A former president of a Euro country follows me. And I have only ~280 followers. Maybe you've been bamboozled by the disinformation war waged on Putin and Russia hmmmm?
     
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  12. exiledgator

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    Twitter is a great place to find other Russian sympathizers, supporters, and paid advocates. No one is surprised your views would find support in that cess pool.
     
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  13. BigCypressGator1981

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  14. oragator1

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    I do find it ironic that you say there is no evidence for Putin, but then claim it is probably someone for which you have zero evidence either.
    of course Putin is anti communist, you can’t amass a 100 billion fortune in a communist regime.
    Nor do you protect the Russian speakers in the east of Ukraine by attacking Kiev, where there are far fewer.
    Nor can you essentially appoint yourself head of a country for life in a Democratic state.
    And of course no one can “prove” that Putin had his enemies killed, but a whole lot of them sure do turn up dead, and by bizarre means. And to the point of not lying, Putin did once say that his enemies would “kick the bucket”. So maybe he is honest after all.
    Nor can I prove that he bombed those apartments as the pretext for the Chechen war, but it’s funny how the undetonated bombs were FSB. And how a whole host of former Russian officials say it was him.

    but yeah, maybe the guy is just misunderstood. We should all apologize.
     
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  15. Gatorhead

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    I'm curious how many Russian people that "Submarine" thinks Stalin killed during the "Collectivization" program, the "Officer" purge and of course the "getting your Bolshevik mind right" Pogrom in the Siberian Guulag campaign - Some historians think Stalin was a bigger "killer" of Russian citizens that "Der Fuherer".
     
  16. submarine

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    Putin and Lavrov never lie. Biden administration and Zelensky lie every day. If you hate Putin art
    FSB believes Natalya Vovk killed Dugina. Evidence at the link
    MoA - Ukraine - Dugina Killer Identified - War Of Attrition Continues

    Check out the first comment and you will see a link to a video the FSB took while they were following Vovk. New evidence from Russians with Attitude on Twitter put in question whether Vovk was Azov, AFU or both.

    As for Putin's net worth, who knows? Obviously Western intel has reasons to put out fake info.

    Russia never wanted to take Kiev imo. Russian forces pretended they wanted to do so to keep tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops close to Kiev. That made things easier for Russia elsewhere. As I said on Twitter at the time, the Russian military may be best in the world at "strategic deception."

    Regarding "opposition leader Navalny," why would Putin poison a man sitting at 1-2% in the polls? No proof Navalny was even poisoned. Yet the West thinks it's a given Putin did so.

    I remember seeing a photo of journalists Putin supposedly killed. Turned out some were dead before he took office. Journalists can make lots of enemies in a country like Russia (by writing about the Russian mafia, for example). One dead female journo was in Stephen F. Cohen's home. They were friends. Enjoyed a meal together. When she was killed Cohen said there wasn't a shred of evidence that Putin was involved.

    US policy since 1991 has been to contain Russia and keep US world's only superpower by making Ukraine a thorn in Russia's side. If Russia could be broken into separate countries and US companies could better exploit Russia's natural resources all the better.

    NATO should have been dissolved or repurposed in 1991. Or Russia could have been invited to join (they would have).

    As Putin asked, "Why was it necessary to make us your enemy?" (not exact quote)

    The West exploited Russia when Yeltsin was president. Putin put a stop to that and powerful people hate him for it.
     
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  17. submarine

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    Ukraine was always going to lose the war. Russia has home field advanage given the number of Russian-speakers in areas where the fighting taking place. Lenin gave Ukraine the eastern part of their country in 1922. Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine in 1954.

    Russia will have ~80% of Ukraine's GDP when conflict ends and gain many $Trillions in natural resources.

    Biden really showed Putin, huh?
     
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  18. sierragator

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    Putin and Lavrov never lie.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
    Aren't you late for a politburo meeting?
     
  19. submarine

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    Find a lie either has told
     
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  20. mdgator05

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    Here is a pretty big whopper:

    “If you’re talking about the Budapest Memorandum, we have not violated it. It contains only one obligation — not to use nuclear weapons against Ukraine.”

    That was a quote from Lavrov. The claim is that there is one obligation. And yet, here is the Budapest Memorandum:

    https://www.pircenter.org/media/content/files/12/13943175580.pdf

    He gave this quote after Russia had moved troops into Crimea, which was contained in the borders of Ukraine in 1994.

    Obvious lie.
     
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