Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

FOX News: The Trump Mar-a-Lago search was justified.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by tilly, Aug 22, 2022.

  1. philnotfil

    philnotfil GC Hall of Fame

    17,702
    1,785
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    If carrying out the search warrent doesn't result in finding more than the search warrant allowed them to find, then investigating and harassing the opposition party is the logical outcome?
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  2. tegator80

    tegator80 GC Hall of Fame

    12,875
    21,025
    3,363
    May 29, 2007
    Richmond, VA
    You see what you want to see. I feel sorry you are so tied to your beliefs that you can't see the forest from all the trees.
     
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 1
  3. gatorchamps960608

    gatorchamps960608 GC Hall of Fame

    4,507
    939
    2,463
    Jul 4, 2020
    As of noon on inauguration day, Trump had no executive privilege to invoke re: these documents. He also no longer had a security clearance to view them. And most importantly, the documents belong to the National Archives and were considered stolen from them.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  4. BLING

    BLING GC Hall of Fame

    8,672
    842
    2,843
    Apr 16, 2007

    The warrant found exactly what it was looking for. The search was for classified documents. It returned a trove of classified documents. Documents Trump withheld and/or lied about.

    Law and order Trumpers: What? No rape dungeon? Witch hunt!!!

    The only question is what was the motive. Why did Trumps attorney sign a false affidavit? I can imagine a few possibilities, but it really depends on the specific topical nature of the documents.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  5. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,050
    1,136
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    Had Trump complied with the NARA request or subpoena request and return all the classified documents without a hassle, yes. But that didn't happen. Trump didn't simply comply, and lied on a affidavit about having the classified materials.

    And while under normal circumstances, I would object to the current POTUS rejecting security clearance for past Presidents, Trump's history of handling classified docs gives Biden plenty of cause to not grant Trump clearance. Biden didn't nothing legally wrong either. Giving past Presidents security clearance is a courtesy granted by the current POTUS.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. philnotfil

    philnotfil GC Hall of Fame

    17,702
    1,785
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    Biden didn't do anything period. Let alone anything legally wrong. The DOJ asked if he wanted to countermand their plans, and he deferred to their judgment. The Biden White House said they weren't going to touch that one with a ten foot pole and leave us out of it thank you very much.
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
  7. AgingGator

    AgingGator GC Hall of Fame

    3,696
    794
    2,088
    Apr 24, 2007
    The only number there that is factual is the 30,000 and that is only known because that how many were deleted and destroyed, some of which was done after the request from the FBI.
     
  8. Gatoragman

    Gatoragman GC Hall of Fame

    2,574
    243
    288
    Jan 4, 2008
    Do we even know for sure what was in these boxes? Trump may have played all of you, just as he has done for years. The boxes may have said classified on them but what was in them? Some leak from a biased news source is not enough to draw the conclusions so many of you have. I only see a couple of the regulars on here with the patience to wait and see what this all amounts to one way or the other. The Trump supports crying foul! The Trump haters saying Nuclear secrets. As we all know with most everything this will end up somewhere in the middle of what everyone is saying. It won't be enough for the right but it will be just enough for the left. With this outcome projected it will do nothing but further divide this country.
     
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
  9. danmanne65

    danmanne65 GC Hall of Fame

    3,878
    813
    268
    Jul 2, 2022
    DeLand
    Do former President’s have executive privilege? It’s a dubious concept in my mind but only is valid for a sitting President.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  10. jhenderson251

    jhenderson251 Premium Member

    3,372
    547
    2,043
    Aug 7, 2008
    Tell us the last time OAN showed you something you didn't "want to see." I would also be grateful if you could provide a concise and succinct answer. Thanks!
     
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  11. BLING

    BLING GC Hall of Fame

    8,672
    842
    2,843
    Apr 16, 2007

    No. That 113 is literally the number of classified emails identified that went through Clinton’s server. 30,000 actually wasn’t a “factual” number, it was estimated figure for how many were deleted in total. But these were not all “classified” emails that were deleted, maybe none of them were (which was Clinton’s claim)

    It’s possible through forensics they could have found a few more emails to add to that 113 total, I suspect they probably would have identified more. But 30,000 was just the total universe of all emails.

    Clinton’s claim was that she didn’t “intend” to mishandle classified documents through her server. Which seems fairly plausible, considering even in her emails she’d sometimes stop the conversation and suggest moving to a secure channel (indicating some sensitivity to her server not being a proper channel for classified topics). Presumably the 3 emails she had of the “highest level” would be an actual breech of national security and theoretically that is what she could have been charged for. Still, can’t even really compare as Trump actually has far more documents than Clinton had emails, has more documents at higher levels of classification, and it’s hard to claim “no intent” when they literary stashed physical copies AND stonewalled/lied about having them.
     
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2022
    • Informative Informative x 1
  12. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    Perhaps Q, and they have been wrong about some things, but Trump did this to himself. Lotsa smoke. Eventually there will be a fire. He is the one running through the dry brush with matches and gasoline.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  13. sierragator

    sierragator GC Hall of Fame

    15,204
    13,197
    1,853
    Apr 8, 2007
    Yeah, probably his old collection of playboy and penthouse magazines. :rolleyes:
     
  14. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    Not hate on my part. I just dont want someone with such low character leading our country.

    I want a Reagan conservative that handles the job with professionalism, class and dignity and someone my daughters can believe doesnt view females as his personal playthings.

    If I would detest his ways in the real world, than I should detest them in the Oval Office. I did it for Clinton, I do it for Trump.
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  15. BLING

    BLING GC Hall of Fame

    8,672
    842
    2,843
    Apr 16, 2007
    No. We just know that according to DOJ they are classified and that they seemed to be after specific documents, including nuclear materials.

    Yes these are based on “leaks” but given Trumps wall of bullshit response, I’ll go with the leaks being far more credible.

    With Trump I’ve learned to “expect the worst” and he usually still beats it. So his plans for these stolen materials will probably be no different.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
  16. Vindibudd

    Vindibudd VIP Member

    2,042
    5,466
    2,688
    Apr 9, 2007
    Orlando
    I'll just let Alan Dershowitz speak for me here:

    "I was very surprised," Dershowitz said after reading the text of Wall's letter. "The current president should not be able to waive the executive privilege of a predecessor, without the consent of the former president. Otherwise, [privilege] means nothing. What president will ever discuss anything in private if he knows the man who beat him can and will disclose it."
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  17. danmanne65

    danmanne65 GC Hall of Fame

    3,878
    813
    268
    Jul 2, 2022
    DeLand
    Everything he says as president is privileged. It’s after he leaves office.
     
  18. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    Have to disagree here Duch. I think Q would be honest enough to fall on his sword. A couple others here wouldn't, but Q would I believe. (Might take a bigger burden of proof than we might like, but i integrity will win out for some folks in the end.
     
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 3
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  19. BLING

    BLING GC Hall of Fame

    8,672
    842
    2,843
    Apr 16, 2007
    Nope. It’s a cult.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  20. VAg8r1

    VAg8r1 GC Hall of Fame

    20,702
    1,703
    1,763
    Apr 8, 2007
    Most of the classified documents were designated "confidential" the lowest level of classification and it turned out that information contained in the very small number of documents with higher levels of classification was available through open sources. If I recall they concerned drone strikes and there aren't much more open sources than CNN, the other networks and the mainstream print media which ran stories regarding the strikes at roughly the same time the emails were transmitted.