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Christians starting to stand up against the Trumpification of evangelicals.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by jjgator55, Aug 19, 2022.

  1. officelife

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    Jesus Christ wouldn’t be a Christian Nationalist!
     
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    You may want to credit Emo Phillips for your joke…
     
  3. QGator2414

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    You and I clearly view the World from different perspectives at this time.

    And that is fine. Neither of us are better than the other. But I take a Supremacy of Christ view. Not a Supremacy of Man view.

     
  4. Trickster

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    Jesus is neither of those things. Moreover, the thought of tarring and feathering another human being would never occur to me.

    Mocking hypocrites is another matter.
     
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  5. jjgator55

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    Oh come on! If Jeffrey Dahmer were the Republican nominee the MAGA’s would say his only problem was he had an eating disorder.
     
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  6. G8tas

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    They will vote for anyone that is a gun advocate and pro-birth
     
  7. gatorplank

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    Jesus said to Pontius Pilate that his ruling authority was given from above.

    I say the same thing regarding the Presidency, the SCOTUS, and even of democracy itself and people say I’m trying to institute a theocracy.

    When I said a poster would have called Jesus a Christian nationalist and a CINO I meant it 100%. It is a 100% true of that poster, and I also got blocked for saying it.

    If you read the Bible, Jesus is going to come back and establish an eternal Christian nation and everyone who doesn’t like that will be thrown into hell into the outer darkness to be punished, and they won’t get to be a part of it.

    Heaven is a Christian nationalist theocracy where Jesus is King and only those who have put their trust in Christ get to be a part of it.
     
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  9. G8tas

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    And none of that has anything to do with our current political situation
     
  10. gatorplank

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    If Pontius Pilate’s authority came from above, then so does everyone else’s authority that is a government official all the way down to the voting citizen who also gets his/her authority from above. That makes us stewards of the authority given us by God. It makes us accountable to one who gives us that authority. And the one who gives that authority can revoke it at any time He pleases.

    That definitely has to do with our context now. God can take your democracy from you tomorrow, and there are a limitless number of ways God could do that. He could kill you in your sleep tonight. He could raise up a more powerful foreign enemy to conquer us. God could bless the military endeavors of our enemies such that they gain technological superiority over us. Proverbs says God can turn the heart of the king wherever he wills. God could turn the heart of a foreign enemy to launch all of their nukes at the United States. God could bring about the conditions to wreck our economy to the point where we experience total economic collapse. We only have authority because it serves God's providential purposes in this world at the present moment. We exist and thrive to extent that God decides we do. Understanding that it is wise to consider what pleases Him and what provokes His wrath.
     
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  11. jjgator55

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    So what you’re saying is God made Trump President? That may very well be true but I’m sure it was because God made a mistake which can’t be true, or there was a shortage of toads and locusts to punish us with which I also doubt.
     
  12. docspor

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    Christianity 1.0 was a disastrous mistake.
     
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    If G-d made Donald Trump president using the same logic i.e. that right to govern is derived from the divine he also made Joe Biden president. Similarly he must have been responsible for Fidel Castro's 40 plus year rule in Cuba. By the way concept is very similar to the rationale used by hereditary monarchs before it was applied to leaders of other types of nations. It was called the divine right of kings and it essentially meant that because the monarch derived his authority from G-d he or she was above the law. Although somewhat off-topic Trump's supporters in expressing their outrage over the search of his Mar-a-Lago estate are also in effect arguing that their Dear Leader should also be above the law.
     
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  14. jjgator55

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    Maybe but it’s not an easy thing for someone raised to believe certain things to accept that many of the Bible stories they’ve been taught were just a repeat of stories from other cultures and religions. Sort of like believing Santa wore a red suit when in reality it was a creation of the CocaCola corporation.
     
  15. ncargat1

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    Especially since he was not a Christian!
     
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    Yes, God made Trump president. He also made Biden president. He also placed Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Nero, etc into power. The truth is our nation doesn't deserve any better than any of those men. Sometimes God gives people what they want. If democracy wants autonomy from God as a society, then God very well might give democracy the evil things it is asking for.
     
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    I have never complained about the search in Mar-a-Lago. Trump is not above the law. If Trump breaks the law, then I think he should be punished. I only ask that he be given a fair trial, and that obeying the law is applied to everyone including Biden and the Democrats as well.
     
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  18. jjgator55

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    With all due respect that sounds a great deal like a MAGA type argument. It’s lazy in that it places blame elsewhere so the person is, in their mind, absolved of all responsibility, and implying it was God’s will is an argument that can neither be disproven nor proven. To imply that any leader was put into power because a supreme being willed it is laughable since we were all given free will to make decisions for ourselves.
     
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  19. gatorplank

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    The statement was not made for the purpose of absolving any responsibility. God chose Biden, and those who voted for Biden are held responsible for what they voted for. Same with Trump, and those who voted for him. And I think exactly what a person's motivations were in voting is seen by God, and we cannot see the heart and the motivations that went into each person's vote. However, on the day of judgment when the heart is laid bare before God and nothing remains hidden, judgment will be rendered. That is how sovereign God is. He can judge sinful people by appointing wicked rulers, and then he can judge the same people for their choice in who they appointed. God is sovereign and man is responsible for his choices and decisions.
     
  20. gatorplank

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    St. Augustine wrote a very well-known book on this subject, and he argued in the book that there are two kingdoms: the kingdom of God and the kingdom of the world. And these kingdoms are in direct opposition to one another. Every person is a citizen of one of the two kingdoms. One kingdom will be eternally glorified with Christ. The other kingdom will be devoted to everlasting destruction. The kingdom of God is not a globalist entity that also includes the kingdom of the world. These two kingdoms are in a perpetual state of war with one another, and one cannot be beloved in both kingdoms. One cannot have dual-citizenship in the kingdoms. And Jesus is the door by which one changes their citizenship from the kingdom of the world to the kingdom of God. Whoever does not have the Son does not have the Father.
     
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