Christians starting to stand up against the Trumpification of evangelicals.

Depends who is defining it. I have explained it enough for you to understand it on this thread. By your definition...there are very few actual Christian Nationalists. Though you would prefer to push a false narrative as if there are a lot of influential people out there trying to establish Christianity as a state religion. When referring to the US I would define it as a person who views themselves as a Christian and holds that Christian moral principles play(ed) a strong roll in how the people of this country have traditionally voted to be governed.

With that said...I would avoid the term if possible because it is now used to agitate and not used for anything positive or constructive. Like the OP.

 

Al Mohler is one the best examples of someone walking the walk with Christ. One of the great Bible Scholars and Teachers of our time.

 

yep. So many primarily use their religion as a cudgel.

 

(Tshirt: “Proud Christian Nationalist”)

 

To begin with, do you not see how misogynistic that language is (a characteristic I've noticed in those on the far right)? More importantly, are you seriously suggesting Clinton's faults - and, yes, she has them - even approach Trump's? If you equate them, you've lost any remaining reputation for credibility and integrity. Finally, I notice you made no mention of the second election, the one where Biden, not Clinton, was on the ballot. Did you vote for him? If not, what excuse do you have for that?

No, of course not. My point is that a true Christian would never vote for a man like Trump, and especially not the second time! But you didn't just vote for Trump twice, you continue to support him, knowing, I assume, that he is a thoroughly degenerate human being and the very antithesis of Jesus Christ.

We all fall short of ideal behavior. Most try to do better. There's a word for those who keep repeating bad behavior: incorrigible, for whom it rings hollow when they refer to the Cross.

 

Christians have been doing this. Franklin Graham urging vaccinations was a big component 18 months back.

 

I agree with the disagree: she's just as batshit crazy. In fact, she's the originalbatshit crazy female republican politician.

This you?

 

Completely different context and meaning, bubba.

 

So it is okay to vote for a person because they are a woman. They will support policy that legalizes the killing of the most innocent for convenience. They clearly have all the same human faults as a man who actually helped protect the killing of the most most innocent for convenience.

Yet because they are not trump one is not a CINO if they support the antithesis of Christian Moral policies?

Okay!?!?!?

***we all fall short and you are right that we should do our best to do better…I will side with those that support moral policies that follow the Cross over those that support policies that are the antithesis of the Cross***

 

Bubba?

 

Oh Brother. You’re too much.

 

Im not sure she’s a hero so much, but disturbing none the less. Hopefully, this chapter of American politics is a short one.

 

Okay?

I am not the one saying one is a CINO for supporting a politician who actually promoted Christian moral policy tenants while presumably saying it is okay to vote for a political who supports the antithesis of policies that have Christian moral tenants.

 

I think it’s this last part that’s stirring the conflict. Probably we can all understand how fighting abortion can be seen as a wholly Christian end. However, it is much less clear how supporting Trump is an acceptable Christian means to that end. I agree that no one is perfect, but Trump appears to be further off of following the 10 commandments and Christian ideals than >90% of the American populace.

 

We are not electing a leader of the Church. We are electing a politician to lead a secular nation. With that the people are going to ask to be governed by the moral tenants they find important. If anything a supporter of Clinton is a CINO and a supporter of Trump is not based on policy.

Anyone trying to compare peoples (politicians) faults when it comes to Christ and the Cross is missing the point. Some people do not find Christ until far later in their life. And even then will struggle to walk the Life of Christ.

But to say one is a CINO for voting for trump and then ignore and presumably say one is not for supporting hrc or Biden completely lacks understanding of the Cross. They clearly support policy that is the antithesis of Christ and the Cross.

 

Thank you for getting it. It is a poor Christian indeed who thinks abortion alone determines who may claim the Cross. I think Jesus would be astounded that some think a, say, 10 week old fetus constitutes taking a life, and would consider the term “pro-life” judgmental and prideful arrogance…..and we know what He thinks of judgment and pride.

 

It is clear that many would like to establish a fundamentalist christian theocracy. To deny that is ignorant or willfully dishonest. Attempts to stop that from happening are NOT an infringement of anyone's freedom of religion. It is not that hard.