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FBI Executed a Warrant at Mar a Lago; the Investigation Continues

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by duchen, Aug 8, 2022.

  1. G8trGr8t

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    Nothing happened there without DT approval. That has been well documented
     
  2. AzCatFan

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    While true, it's hard to prove. Weisselberg had the title and responsibility for the finances. If Weisselberg wanted to flip on Trump and blame him, then there's nothing Trump can do. But without this testimony, Trump can claim Weisselberg was acting on his own. Then there's likely not enough evidence to criminally convict.

    But in a civil case, with a lower evidence bar to clear, you can absolutely pin the problem on the entire Trump Organization. And make the Org pay major fines, and even stop them from doing business in the state.
     
  3. WarDamnGator

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    When I heard about his "standing order to declassify" I assumed something to that effect was written ... I guess not.
     
  4. gatorjnyc

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    Looks like I may be wrong (cue the famous scene in Johnny Dangerously). News tonight is talking about AW going to Riker's. How the hell is he going to survive that place?
     
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  5. sierragator

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    Guys like him don't get sent to Riker's. He'll get a country club, privileged guy that he is.
     
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  6. enviroGator

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    Or that he had her pushed down the stairs.
     
  7. enviroGator

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    He should have added, "And besides, we cratered her chances of being elected by publicly announcing we were were re-opening the investigation right before election day as if we had found some big problem."

    And the Mad Hatters think the FBI did Trump wrong. SMDH.
     
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  8. enviroGator

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    I hope they don't send him there until after he has testified against Trump Org. Otherwise I'd put odds at 100,000,000 to 1 that he will be "Epstien-ed" by Dear Leader.
     
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  9. StrangeGator

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    The New York AG shut down Trump University so I wouldn't be surprised to see the Org get the death penalty.
     
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  10. StrangeGator

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    The state of New York has no such corrections facilities. Those only exist in the federal system. Weisselberg will get protection at Rikers or whatever state facility he's sent to.
     
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  11. AzCatFan

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    Let's not forget the Trump Foundation, and the penalty it had to pay the state of NY for illegal practices. The Trump Foundation also shut down, and I believe Trump can't head any charities in New York because of the ruling. Plenty of history of shady dealing with Trump in the state of NY, and with the Org now being guilty of keeping two sets of books, agreed, the corporate death penalty is certainly on the table.
     
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  12. pkaib01

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    DOJ is talking to former WH staff about the "standing order". This may signal an actual criminal investigation instead of merely doc recovery.

     
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  13. WC53

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    They’re not indicting Trump. Give him a few more Big Macs so we can move on.
     
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  14. VAg8r1

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    Another alternative actually suggested by Michael Cohen in an interview would be an indictment followed by a plea bargain in which Trump agrees to home confinement to avoid a trial. While being forced to remain at Mar-a-Lago, Bedminster or even his former residence at Trump Tower doesn't sound like much of a punishment considering that he would still be living better than 99.9% of his fellow Americans preventing Trump from holding his MAGA rallies and exiling him from access to social media would be quite a punishment for a deranged narcissist and attention whore who lives for the adoration of members of his cult. Presumably the guilty plea would also include the conditions that Trump refrain from soliciting funds from the general public and from active involvement in politics indefinitely.
     
  15. WC53

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    He would trigger internal conflict before he would take a plea. Hyperbolic nonsense. Ymmv.
     
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  16. VAg8r1

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    I tend to disagree. If he is charged with Federal crimes venue would most likely be in DC. Considering how his buddies who participated in the January 6th insurrection fared in trials in DC a plea bargain could be an attractive alternative especially if incarceration is completely off the board as part of the agreement.
     
  17. pkaib01

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    I think I read the illegal possession charges would be in south Florida and the obstruction charge in south DC.
     
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  18. duchen

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    No. They would indict in one place. Obstructing a DC investigation by acts in Florida would still be charged in DC
     
  19. pkaib01

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    Here's the article I was referring to (although I had the venues reversed... corrected).

    Marcy's hypothesis.

    "By description, when Trump tried to destroy evidence, he did so immediately, in the heat of the moment, in the White House. For that reason, and because the known federal investigations — his attempted coup on January 6, but also his ties to Russia, his coercion of Ukraine, even his inauguration graft — were all predicated in DC, the investigation into Trump’s obstruction of those investigations would be in DC too. That’s why I hypothesize that FBI may have inventoried everything and then, when compiling a final inventory to share with Trump, they distinguished between the suspected crimes that would have been committed in Florida, by storing classified information improperly and refusing to return it to the Federal government, and the suspected crimes that would have been committed in DC when — on January 20 or before, including between January 6 and January 20 — Trump ripped up, flushed, burned, or tried to eat incriminating evidence.

    Unless Trump were to waive venue (which he would never do), any prosecution of Trump under the Espionage Act would happen in SDFL, because that’s where he illegally retained classified information after the government asked him to give it back. But any prosecution of Trump for obstruction would happen where the investigations he obstructed were and where he ripped up evidence, in DC."
    Obstruction: The Two-Receipt Search of the Former President's Golf Resort - emptywheel

    I'm not sure why the DOJ wouldn't combine.
     
  20. duchen

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    The entire documents case is likely to be on Florida because the case is opened here. Grand Jury likely here
     
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