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FBI Executed a Warrant at Mar a Lago; the Investigation Continues

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by duchen, Aug 8, 2022.

  1. sierragator

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    They even bacon the obvious.
     
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    I would, but I have been locked out unless I subscribe. You'll have to do it. Thanks.

    I'm a bit gun shy after you asked me to reduce the commentary in the PPI Report which was 5 paragraphs in a report that contained 18 paragraphs and 4 tables.
     
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  3. ETGator1

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    So, you are claiming the New York Times is fake news media?
     
  4. pkaib01

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    So you're bringing data to bear that you haven't even read? Really? How unserious a contributor are you?
     
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  5. sierragator

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    If there is sufficient evidence to bring charges, then do it and let a jury decide (and of course the appeals if there is a conviction). The sycophants don't even want it looked into.
     
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    Which of you mods removed my "what the ass?" reply as an insult? It's the same as "what the hell?"

    Is "what the hell" now forbidden too?
     
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  7. VAg8r1

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    What the article really said and let's remember that it was written in April was that Biden was frustrated with Merrick Garland's slow pace. Nowhere did it say that Biden was actually pressuring Garland.
     
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  8. ETGator1

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    Where did you get that I didn't read it? I brought you the link as proof of what Joe Biden has been saying about Donald Trump in the media to Merrick Garland. It is in the article.

    Anybody who has access can bring it forward. I had my one article today and I'm damn sure not subscribing to the New York Slimes.
     
  9. ETGator1

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    LOL! I wasn't offended at all. (chuckle)
     
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  10. AzCatFan

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    The FBI raid at Mar a Lago has nothing to do with Jan 6. It's a separate issue dealing with documents that Trump had in his possession that belong to the National Archives. Including 11 boxes of classified materials, some of which are the highest level of top secret the US has. To say the August MAR raid was a result of Biden pressuring Garland because of how slow Garland was moving on Jan 6 is 100% false. They are two separate tracks.

    Again, Trump had the ability to return all the boxes on several occasions. He did return some in January this year, and then had his lawyer sign an affidavit that the January return included all classified materials. The FBI and DOJ later learned this was a lie, and there was still classified materials being stored at MAR. The DOJ got a subpoena for all remaining classified materials to be returned, which was ignored by Trump. At this point, the FBI had nothing else it could do if it wanted to get the materials back other than get a warrant and search the premises.

    Top Secret SCI information is again, the highest form of classified document the US has. It is only supposed to be open in a SCIF, where there are no cameras, phones, or recording materials allowed. Even if Trump had magic declassifying powers and could just point to something and say declassified, under the Espionage Act, Trump is criminally liable if it is possible that the information in the SCI packet could have been seen by anyone without top security clearance. The Espionage Act doesn't specify that docs need to be classified or not.

    Regardless, just having Top Secret SCI information in an area that is not as secure as possible is grossly incompetent. This is top secret, national security information, that is vital to our national security. What kind of moron keeps this information in a pool closet at his home with nothing more than a padlock? Even if Trump isn't criminally liable, he's proven to be untrustworthy, and not worthy of ever holding office again. If you thought a potential 113 classified emails out of 30,000 on Hillary's email server was bad, please explain how this isn't at least equally as bad.
     
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  11. ETGator1

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    I'm okay with this anywhere except Washington DC and the suburbs of DC in Maryland and Virginia. There isn't a republican or conservative alive who can get a fair trial in those places. One DC jury used nullification to get off Clinton's attorney who started the Russia Hoax with documents delivered to the DOJ and then another DC jury convicted Steve Bannon on his misdemeanor. These locations are perfect examples of the US two-tier justice system, one for democrats and a different one for republicans.
     
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    So in essence the jury must be selected from the attendees of a maga rally. Along with that silly rabbit hole of none of the investigators, prosecutors, witnesses, judges etc can be from the other party. I agree that "equal justice under law" is bullshit, but for different reasons than protecting dear leader.
     
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  13. ETGator1

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    Bluntly, you don't know if any of this is true and will not know until the affidavit is released.

    The standard is intent. You presume Trump intended to break some law as that is what you socialists want.
     
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    I'm glad you agree that the nation outside of DC and suburbs will deal with this differently than what happens in and around Washington DC.

    The standard since Hillary Clinton for what they are trying to stick Trump with is intent. Intent cannot be proven.

    A former and possibly future president of the US has been attacked by the US KGB using impeachable gross abuse of power. This is nothing new. It has been going on for 6 years and 1 month if not longer.

    The US, a banana republic since July 2016.
     
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    Please specify what is false in my post? And thanks, @pkaib01 for posting the timeline.

    Intent is part of the standard the DOJ has listed to excuse high ranking officials from issues with potentially mishandling classified materials. The other standard is cooperation. Hilary cooperated with the DOJ. Trump? He did not. Again, Trump had a lawyer lie when it was said the January boxes Trump did give back to the Archives contained all classified materials Trump had in his possession. Trump also ignored the subpoena to return any and all classified materials.
     
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    It's all conjecture unless you have the affidavit.
     
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    One major correction.
    The US, a banana republic since July 2016 from 12:00 noon January 20th 2017 to 12 noon January 20, 2021.
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  20. AzCatFan

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    What part? The part that Trump gave back 15 boxes in January? That's confirmed. The part that Trump had a lawyer sign an affidavit that these boxes contained all classified info Trump had in his possession? That's confirmed too. The part that the FBI/DOJ learned Trump still had classified info at MAR? Confirmed by the warrant, signed by a judge, which tells us there was plenty of evidence to conduct the raid. Again, confirmed. How about the part that Trump ignored a subpoena? Subpoena confirmed send in June, 2022, and we know Trump ignored it, because there was enough evidence to get the warrant signed.

    Is it conjecture Trump had classified materials still at MAR? The itemized list that was released along with the warrant of what was seized confirms this as well.

    What's conjecture is Trump's intent. We don't know what he intended to do, if anything, with the classified materials. But what we do know is Trump didn't cooperate when he could have in returning all the materials. Including some of the highest classified documents possible. There is no conjecture here.
     
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