Election officials in TX county quit after being threatened and stalked

I believe that poll after poll keeps saying that the majority of Republicans believe Trump really won.
Meanwhile, the Supreme Court poll you quote is from a far-right organization with a history of posting a lot of falsehoods.
So I'm not sure it's valid to use that poll as justification for rejecting a long list of reputable polls.

 

So let's make this scenario even more unrealistic by adding another layer of "what if?" You're now suggesting there could be a conspiracy across multiple states to install faithless electors AND that all of these states need to ignore court rulings on top of that.

 

What far right org are you referring to? The NY Post? Would Yahoo be a better source? They report the same numbers. It's a poll, the numbers are numbers.

 

Yeah, imagine taking the candidates at their word. Clearly we shouldn't listen to what candidates have said they will do. BTW, you are assuming it would require multiple states. Not necessarily true.

 

the source of the poll is the Heartland Institute.

 

No I don't trust any candidate at their word. See the de Tocqueville quote below for reference.

And based on Trump's current level of support, it's a very safe bet it would require multiple states. He had to carry pretty close to every swing state to upset Hillary in '16. Are you suggesting it would be easier for him now?

 

This is a weird post.
Am I supposed to use your circle of friends that I have never met?

Talking about what I actually see and experience is a "tactic" and makes me out as a "spokesman"?

Just more hyperbolic melodrama from the some on the left.

 

TJ, they arent seeing it that way. This is a perception issue. Most conservative voters arent saying overthrowing our democracy is OK, because most people dont see our democracy being threatened.

What most of "us" have done and many will do is justify a crude idiot as the ends to a means.

Most Trump voters dont really believe he wants yo overthrow the democracy.

Thats mostly a left wing shouting point that most on the right arent lapping up as the left wishes.

Now if you guys can show polls that say, conservatives are willing to destroy the democracy to own the libs, than I'll change my tune.

I doubt such a poll exists of course.

 

It's Rasmussen. Never heard of their numbers being called into question before. Either way, it was just meant as another illustration/example of histrionics and hand-wringing. Take the same poll after the '24 election and see if it still comes back at 70%. Give it a year or two and take the SCOTUS question poll again. I'm betting the answers come back vastly different.

 

A supermajority of House Republicans already voted to deny certification.

How is that not threatening Democracy?

 

This is very similar to the cycle or rise and fall of nations described by Timothy Snyder’s The Road to Unfreedom. Except his doesn’t have as much spirituality. Good read though.

Erratum: the correct book and author are: The Changing World Order by Ray Dalio - still a good read.

 

Yes, judges across the country did their job and upheld their oath of office. They are but one branch of government though and I could argue the Congressional branch teetered on failure - even after the insurrection, 147 voted NOT to certify the electoral vote and that makes me wonder what the vote would of been had they not been scared into back into their constitutional duty. And of course the Executive branch (donald trump) failed spectacularly and it is the POTUS that is CIC of military.

 

That would be an offense that is grounds for at the very least censure (easily done) and potentially expulsion from Congress (difficult, but that can and has happened before to Sen Blount in 1797 after being caught trying to increase his holdings by helping the British oust Spain from Florida and Louisiana by inciting an Indian uprising).

Either way, as you state the judges across the country did uphold their duties. There have been multiple cases where a judge has issued stays on a law forcing an issue into the courts. I don't see any scenario where that wouldn't happen in this case (again, another "what if" scenario).

 

Lol it was a mostly peaceful protest.....does that term only apply to the left when things get out of control?

 

Would apply to the many thousands who remained on the ellipse grass and who pulled on their trump hoodies, grabbed their trump flags and hats, got in their trump wrapped vehicles and went home after the bitter and delusional speechifying had concluded. Does not apply to the 2,000+ who breached barricades, broke through the police line and broke through windows and doors looking for members of Congress. They have been the only ones charged

 

Correcting this for you:
Most Trump voters don't really understand that he wants to overthrow the democracy.

 

While a majority of the attendees at Trump's MAGA rally on the Ellipse didn't storm the Capitol several thousand did so. I wouldn't exactly call that a "peaceful" protest.

 

Sort of the same thing. The point is, they arent thinking along those lines. Sort of eliminates the "treason" narrative that some like to toss around so lazily.

 

@tilly, I'd argue that it isn't laziness. Far from it. Both sides have the playbook of taking outrage to the extreme edges down to a science when the other team is in charge.