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Inflation Reduction Act passes the Senate.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by jjgator55, Aug 7, 2022.

  1. ridgetop

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    Funny …. Read the whole thread. Now, did he or did he not say they targeted only conservatives. If not go ahead and admit you are wrong and call it a day. Or keep venting your drum and proving to everyone you are just looking for an argument.
     
  2. ridgetop

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    Did they get bleachbit from Hillary as well?
     
  3. danmanne65

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    No one knows but I suspect it was bleachbit or it’s more up to date successor.
     
  4. mdgator05

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    Well that is quite a strange way of saying that you don't have actual evidence but are substituting belief for evidence.
     
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  5. AgingGator

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    No that is my way of saying that smart people do leave evidence. No email, no paper, no IM, no text.
     
  6. oaklandroadie2

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    Boy, the DOJ and the FBI really stepped all over Biden's big accomplishment.

    Prediction #1: In six months (as the 2024 Presidential Election gets underway), all most people will remember of this bill is that it increased the size of the IRS and more people are going to be audited.

    Prediction #2: Since the inflationary measures are at the end of the bill's life, if inflation is still high next year, dems hopes will further tank as they have no record to run on.

    Dems, always so good at politics, SMH.
     
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  7. mdgator05

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    And yet, as pointed out, the execs of Wells Fargo did. Conspiracies produce a substantial paper trail in the real world.
     
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  8. pkaib01

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    You are assuming the DOJ was acting politically and in conjunction with Congress. I'm not sure that's the case. Nor should it be.

    The bill helps the environment and people as soon as it's signed. To delay it for political purposes would be a dereliction of responsibility. Also, if they waited until a week prior to the midterms, people would be screaming bloody politics.

    trump has done some real damage to how folks view the DOJ.
     
  9. tampajack1

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    Yes, under pressure the IRS apologized for having done nothing wrong. That takes nothing away from the fact that tea party political organizations were applying for 501(c)(4) tax exempt status when 501(c)(4) tax exempt status is reserved for organizations that must be operated exclusively to promote social welfare. Also, I don’t appreciate your accusing me of making shit up especially when that’s about all you do, and the only value of your worthless posts is to alert us to the fact that there are a lot of people like you out there who have an agenda that is dangerous to this country.
     
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  10. tampajack1

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    Have you guys taken your daily dose of hydroxychloroquine? You seem a little antsy.
     
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  11. gator95

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    LOL. You ARE making up shit. The IRS APOLOGIZED for targeting conservatives. I posted the proof. You sitting here claiming it didn't doesn't make it magically true. I don't give a crap if you appreciate me calling out your BS. Dangerous agenda LOL. I guess when you've lost the argument you start really reaching. Too funny.
     
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  12. tampajack1

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    Blocked.
     
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  13. AgingGator

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    The ones that get caught do. Do you really believe that all get caught????

    Don’t talk to me about “real world” when you spew nonsense like this. Do you really believe for a nanosecond that a raid on a former president’s home would be conducted without the current president’s knowledge of not approval.

    Answer that question and don’t deflect to whether it was warranted or not. We will find that out in time.
     
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  14. jjgator55

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    What will republicans have to run on? Better still what do they have to run on now?
     
  15. dangolegators

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    Yeah, he said they targeted conservatives. He failed to mention they targeted liberals too. It's clear what his intention was. But if you want to argue that his omitting the word 'only' means his intention was actually to say they targeted liberals too, knock yourself out. I don't care.
     
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    The previous first quarter productivity drop of 7.4% was the largest quarterly drop in 74 years. Today the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports the second quarter productivity dropped another 4.6%
    Your economy sucks.
     
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  17. philnotfil

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    This is different from proof that the IRS didn't target liberal groups.
     
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  18. mdgator05

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    Even the ones that don't get caught. It is harder to prove at a large scale...since they didn't get caught. But I'll provide you a couple of examples involving Trump. The Trumps set up a dummy corporation to provide "maintenance" in violation of the tax law to extract money, without paying proper taxes, from the Trump organization. The NYT found the entire paper trail. They weren't caught when they did this. When the NYT caught it year's later, it resulted in his sister needing to step down, due to the heightened rules around federal judges, but there was never a criminal penalty for it.

    I'll give another Trump related example. Ask any expert on money laundering, and they will tell you that, after examining the paper work around Trump branded apartments that they have huge signs of money laundering going on. Essentially, opaque corporations are selling apartments to other opaque corporations, all in cash, with little evidence of who owns the property or who, if anybody, resides in the property. All of this is being done in properties that are highly correlated in location with money laundering hotspots (New York, Las Vegas, South Florida, Panama, Central Asia, etc.). The paper work, which is extensive, is a huge red flag. But they haven't been caught because you have to prove a specific event violated the law, not that they are obviously violating the law in general. And that is harder to do because, in theory, there could be a reasonable explanation for any one transaction, even if there really isn't for the whole portfolio of activity.

    Major FBI raids have happened before without Presidential knowledge. For example, nobody told Trump that his lawyer's home and offices were about to be raided. There are two bureaucratic impulses here that are in conflict. In theory, the President should not be informed of this sort of thing due to issues with conflicts of interest. However, most bureaucrats have some level of cowardice and don't want to stick their neck out too far out of fear of having their head chopped off when it hits the fan. So could it have been done without Biden's knowledge? Sure. Was it? No clue.
     
  19. BLING

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    Smart people criminals don’t leave evidence.

    Although I would add only certain types of folks concern themselves with such things in the first place, it doesn’t necessarily make one “smart” to be concerned with constantly covering their tracks, actually for someone to have this mindset is pretty much a tell that something needs “covering”…
     
  20. AgingGator

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    You’re making my point. They weee stupid to leave any trail. Any piece of paper or electronic communication is evidence.