Kansas overwhelmingly votes to protect Abortion access for women

valid read. I read the first sentence as pretty much the effective language of the amendment (basically “nothing herein shall be construed as prohibiting the right to legislate”), and the second as a clarification of the first (“this means the legislature can act in these areas. . .”)

confusing or not, it’s not great drafting

 

Yeah, it's almost amazing anyone trusts politicians these days.

 

On top of this very much by design opaqueness of language, there was apparently a misinformation campaign trying to mislead pro-choice people to vote yes. So yeah, very much like the misleading Koch bros attempt to kill solar in FL as mentioned below.

Fraudsters going to do what they do when they know they can’t win on merit or don’t have the truth on their side.

 

Must be nice to be able to convince yourself that you're being persecuted as you attempt to impose your "faith" on everybody else. But that's Christofascism for you.

 

If you don’t think murder is against Christian values you don’t understand Christianity. I’m no victim I just know the score.

 

Murder is a value based and legal judgement. It is not a universal fact, or even biblically based that abortion is “murder” in most cases. It is something that Christians and some Muslims have extrapolated from their body of beliefs.

 

Who wrote that amendment proposal? It has two spelling errors.

"...laws that account for circumstances of pregnacy[sic] resulting from rape or incest, or circumstnces[sic] of necessity to save the life of the mother"

 

Kansas has a liberal Supreme Court - currently has 5 Democratic appointees and 2 Republican. This was on the ballot mostly because the Kansas Supreme Court struck down Kansas’s ban on D&E procedures.


But Kansas is also weird politically. It never votes Democratic for president ever, but has Democratic governors with some regularity.

On the abortion issue they’re similarly weird - they elected Sam Brownback to the Senate and governor’s mansion repeatedly, but were also the location of one of the only late-term abortion providers in the country until he was killed.

 

The arrogance and self righteousness you have demonstrated in this thread is why people have a right to mock your form of Christianity and faith. You’re smart ass reply to Trickster’s question regarding rape, incest, or the health of the mother shows your inability to comprehend Christians and their numerous values.

You do not speak for all Christians; if you did, we wouldn’t have two hundred different denominations of Christianity in this country.

Claiming you are persecuted for your faith while living in a country where 80% of its citizens call themselves Christian; is the textbook definition of playing the victim.

Many Christians believe abortion is justified in cases of rape, incest, or the health of the mother. Are these Christians not truly Christian in your eyes?

 

Abortion isn't murdering a child.

 

Well, they can vote in November if they feel that way. Simple solution. Supreme Court gave the power to the people.

 

The rationale that delegating the decision on the authority to regulate abortion to state legislatures is positive borders on the absurd. Reminds me of the argument that decisions regarding segregation including Jim Crow laws should made at the state level put forth by certain Southern politicians commonly referred to as Dixiecrats 60 years ago. If those decisions were left to the states schools in Southern states would still be segregated and Jim Crow laws would still be in effect. States should not be able to legislate decisions regarding bodily autonomy. Somewhat ironic that the party that promotes itself as supporting personal freedom has no problem with "Big Brother" interfering in what should be personal decisions. By the way the majority opinion in Dobbs was so broad that the majority would undoubetly uphold a federal statute banning abortion.

 

And in some gerrymandered states, they would have to win by 5-10 points to control the legislature because of gerrymandering. And that’s before the additional burdens some states are placing on voting, that, not coincidentally, disproportionately impact democrats.
The deck is stacked against these laws ever coming down, even if the buyers don’t want them.

 

Come on dude. Excuses, excuses. IF people want something, they can vote and get it done.

 

Every single part of this was the work of their Republican legislature. They chose the ballot language. They chose to hold it during the primary (when the college kids were away) to get a more Republican electorate. This was all about backdooring in this constitutional amendment to overrule their state's version of Roe. And they still lost, badly (59-41).

 

The constant attempts to insert racism into abortion arguments bore me. After all I’m the one trying to save the majority minority children here from murder.

 

Yes, you're "saving" the minorities by stripping them of their autonomy, because you know better than them what's moral. A white man stripping Black people of their autonomy "for their own good"? Sounds familiar.

 

Yes it is absolutely murdering a child. I respect people more that admit that it’s murder and they are still for it. If you don’t believe me there are actual videos out there showing a fetus getting it’s neck clipped with scissors while it writhes in the belly of the person that should love it the most. Watch that and tell me it’s not murder. For God’s sake give these kids a chance at life.