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Kansas overwhelmingly votes to protect Abortion access for women

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, Aug 3, 2022.

  1. exiledgator

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    No, the point was to throw out the long standing idea of unenumerated rights that have given us so much freedom.
     
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  2. StrangeGator

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    Time period limits do not account for medical issues that might come up after the first or second trimester. Let the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology along with the Board of Fetal and Maternal Medicine set the standards and enforce them to the extent that HIPAA laws will allow. The clinical issues are far too complicated for members of congress to comprehend.
     
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  3. Trickster

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    The really intelligent ones will point out SCOTUS wanted more than just letting states decide. Still, that was part of what they wanted, and Kansas decided, a decision you clearly can’t respect.

    “Killing babies” is a ridiculous characterization. If you really believe that’s what an abortion is, then you will have to be against them in cases of rape, incest, and when the mother's life is in danger. Otherwise, you’re only sometimes against “killing babies”, and you get to decide when that is. I’m fairly confident you don’t have a pipeline to the Almighty.
     
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  4. VAg8r1

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    Not sure but I think he is a dentist.
     
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  5. WarDamnGator

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    Yeah, I though the same thing, they'll just redefined "privacy" to not include abortion.
     
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  6. g8trdoc

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    Agreed I’m always against killing babies and shocked that it’s controversial to be so.
     
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  7. g8trdoc

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    To be a Christian is to be ridiculed and persecuted for my faith. I’m perfectly comfortable with that arrangement because I know I’m right because of my faith.
     
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  8. oragator1

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    In theory, sure. the problem is that the SC basically codified gerrymandering. So what this ruling allows is a minority party to codify this into law against the will of the majority. And in some cases, they’ve already codified it. Even in states with the bans, the majority supports RvW. And that’s not even accounting for the draconian no exception laws that exists now in some places.
    So if every state had a truly representative legislature and had an open vote on it now, then yeah it’s fine. But that’s not remotely the country we are living in. You won’t have a Kansas like vote in many of the states that has trigger laws.
    Most Americans In States Banning Abortion Disapprove Of Roe V. Wade Decision, Poll Finds
     
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  9. BigCypressGator1981

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    And every election thereafter until it’s corrected by the USSC.
     
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  11. officelife

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    Yet you ridicule and persecute those Christians that share you’re faith while disagree with the concept that abortion is murder.

    This victimhood complex of yours is laughable and a disgrace to Christianity...
     
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  12. exiledgator

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    I doubt you're overly "persecuted". Any ridicule you may face will have less to do with your faith and more to do with position or positions you take because of your faith or because you believe your faith demands it of you. An important distinction, IMO.

    Regardless, I can't imagine living a life so devoid of self reflection that the more heat I take for an opinion the less likely I'll be to reflect on that position. Seems like a shallow, boring, adventure-less way to go through life.
     
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  13. Woollybooger

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    There are plenty of people of faith who dislike the easier path to abortion many pro-choice'rs want to use, but they just are not as vocal. I firmly believe this will result in most states having laws in the mainstream in the next 4-6 years. It will be allowed by all but a few, but with built in exceptions and limitations that keep it from abortion on demand. People on both sides will modify their opinions just enough for consensus agreement, once they see that extremes on both sides are not good for either side.
     
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  14. Trickster

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    So zero exceptions?
    Also, when does a "baby" come into existence? How do you know when that magic - and I concede there is something magical about the creation of life - moment occurs?
     
  15. g8trjax

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    Well that's about as clear as mud.
     
  16. WarDamnGator

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    Yeah, it's like that "solar power protection" amendment in Florida that would have given electric companies more power and made solar less affordable ... I assume a "no" vote is voting against the regulation of abortion, though, based on the first line ... but it makes it sound like you are voting against laws that allow abortion in cases of rape, incest, and to save the mother's life, when in fact, all that was apparently already legal in Kansas. Probably written by the crazy right wing court that I just naturally assume Kansas has, for the purpose of being deceptive.
     
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    Colorado for the "win".

    “Shall there be an amendment to the Colorado constitution concerning the removal of the exception to the prohibition of slavery and involuntary servitude when used as punishment for persons duly convicted of a crime?”
     
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  19. BossaGator

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    that’s impressive. It’s confusing and relatively concise
     
  20. WarDamnGator

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    To me, the first sentence could be read as a statement of fact, that Kansas does not currently allow for the right to abortion ... the second sentence could be stating that they want to change that and allow for abortions in the case of rape, incest, health of the mother ...

    Anyone interpreting it that way would be voting the wrong way if they wanted to keep Kansas's fairly liberal abortion access safe and legal.
     
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