Wow, for all your complaints about virtue signaling, you are quite the virtue signaler when you want to be! Do you feel morally superior now?
Its a pretty simple proposition, God can either intervene or he cant. If he cant, then he doesnt have free will, which means he somehow can give us free will but not himself (or our free will is an illusion), or he does have free will to act, but does not. Now maybe he doesnt have to stop every car accident or scraped knee, but how about a war or genocide? Maybe some of the truly wretched stuff? If he chooses not to stop the holocaust, you either have to conclude that he was ok with it happening and therefor a monster, or God is pretty useless as a diety to believe in. He cant help us, but demands our belief so he doesnt permanently cast us into Hell? What kind of God is that?
You keep setting up these either/or scenarios without considering any other possibilities. I consider these false dilemmas, that there are possible explanations beyond the two that you propose.
So why is it that you automatically believe Bryant’s account? You are disgusted by Till, so obviously, you believe that he did it. You really think a 14 year old black kid grabbed her waist and said, "What's the matter baby, can't you take it?", "You needn't be afraid of me, baby", and said "I've been with white women before."? Is that the typical way that a 14 year old behaves with an adult? Neither of us were there, but surely, you would have some pause to believe this account, no? Especially, when this kind of talk would help get the murderers acquitted? Come on man.
This is why I said it cant be reconciled, because when presented with basic logic, there is always this sort of cop out. You can always fallback on magic, superstition, unnamed "possible explanations." I tend to reject binaries too, but on the question of can God act in the world or not, it is a yes or no (or sometimes) question. That's pretty much the range of possibilities!
I never made this a black & white thing, you did. This discussion does not belong in this thread anyway. WarDamnGator brought up Emmett Till when he referred to another post. If you want to discuss this any further go to the Emmett Till thread. Most of the questions you have asked here were already addressed in that thread anyway.
Would you like to revisit that thread and see what was said about her? Anyone saying what has been said here is equally wrong, bit I dont recall that sort of rhetoric, though its been a while
No, I just think it’s funny that a very Christian person, who probably thanks Jesus everytime something good happens, will instead blame Karma when something he perceives as bad happens…. Seems weird, huh?
And one has pushback from their side and the other doesn't. Plenty of pushback on here. Don't see you or anybody else on your side over on the Till thread pushing back.
It doesn't seem ridiculous to wonder why an alleged omnipotent & *benevolent* god would allow widespread violent destruction & disease to occur in the first place. It's a reason why I tend to think that religious explanations of such a god & free will as more likely being an effect of the evolutionary development of the human mind, not the other way around. Or, why I lost my religion in my mid twenties.
BTW, I never celebrate death, even to the worst of people. Death is the removal of the possibility, however remote, that somebody will become a better person and improve the world. However, I am also not sure why it is necessary to pretend to mourn a death from somebody we never met that did a lot of harm to this country (by helping speed the collapse of our democratic system) as a signal of our virtue either. So I guess my reaction is just "Oh."
I don’t see it that way, what happened on Jan 6th was an organized attack on democracy involving the president, several admin branch officials, republicans in both houses of Congress, state houses across the country, Trump supporters, with Trump trying to recruit SCOTUS and the VP to deliver the death blow. This dead lady’s Jan 4th message that I posted above were a signal to Trump supporters, a letter of encouragement, reassuring them the vote count was not legitimate and signaling them they had support on the inside. Comparing that to a few butt hurt democrats voting no at a time when they also didn’t control the house or senate is just crazy…. But I said it at the time, Trump won and Democrats needed to move on… so I certainly didn’t support the no votes back then either.
We are going to base things on one thread? I mean, the players might be different, but I remember some doozies when Ted Kennedy and Howard Zinn died. Ultimately who cares? Its a small sample size here, people are speaking for themselves.
Death is also the ultimate leveler, that's why people celebrate the death of monsters and bad actors that evade justice, accountability or any sort of comeuppance.
saw the chicks on the rocks last night - they killed it. Here's 9000 people gloriously celebrating the death of a bad dude!! p.s. They covered Don't let me die in Florida
