Mike Pence is going right after Donald Trump in Arizona

I am just commenting on your first part and not the politics of today on the Pub side, except this. They do what the Dems do: exactly what their handlers tell them to do, if they want the Party money. It is what it is.

Your take on Clinton is a classic example of the notion that we humans see what we want to see and disregard the rest. You have quite a recollection of a revised concept of history. Clinton pulled a TV evangelist apology? That is GOLD!

Let me see what there is in Internetland:



And oh, by the way, this happened while he was being investigated:





And finally this:




On second thought, I guess Old Bill IS exactly like a televangelist. Actually, I prefer the "Used Car Salesman" moniker. You apparently like the car he sold you. Good for you. Do you still own it?

 

First, I did not vote for Trump and do not want him to run again. I couldn't even watch his TV show. I am not a Republican. I am not MAGA nation.
However, when Pelosi broke tradition and did not allow the Republicans to choose the committee members, reduced the number of Republicans on the committee and then chose two Republicans that had already publicly stared their anti-Trump opinions she declared the hearings a farce. In the United States everyone gets a defense. School shooters gets a defense attorney even if they can't afford one. Terrorists get the best defense possible.
If the case is as strong as you claim she had nothing to fear and her mistake was much worse than I had assumed.

 

I'm not sure whether Pelosi made the correct decision or not but she wanted the Committee to conduct a serious investigation rather than serve as a platform for Jim "I don't like wearing a suit jacket" Jordan and other pro-Trump Republicans to rant in support of their Dear Leader and there is no way you can spin the decision of the Republicans led by Mitch McConnell blocking the creation of a truly nonpartisan 9-11 style commission as anything but an attempt to block the likely possibility that it would find culpability on the part of the defeated former president. It's rather obvious that they were aware or at a minimum were seriously concerned that a nonpartisan commission would develop facts and issue a finding very similar to that of the House Select Committee. Limiting the investigation of the events of January 6th to a House Committee selected by the House Democratic leadership allows the Republicans and especially supporters of the former president to dismiss the findings of the Committee as partisan or to use a favorite phrase of said former president and members of his cult a "witchhunt" even though the overwhelming majority of witnesses have been Republicans who actually supported the former president.

 

I don't believe that's a fair summary of how it went down.

The membership of the committee was established using practically same language as the Benghazi committee.

HR 567 (Benghazi) - "The Speaker shall appoint 12 Members to the Select Committee, five of whom shall be appointed after consultation with the minority leader."

HR 503 (J6) - "The select committee consists of 13 Members of the House appointed by the Speaker; 5 must be appointed after consultation with the minority leader"

Pelosi decided, after consultation with McCarthy, that it would be improper to include two of the nominations, Banks and Jordan. This decision was based on potential conflicts of interest given their public record and participation in meetings with trump in the days leading up to J6. I'm not sure if this breaks tradition since we are not normally privy to these consultations. Regardless, Jordan's subsequent refusal to cooperate with the committee lends credence to this decision. Do you agree with Pelosi's decision?

McCarthy then "boycotted" the selection process in protest. This allowed Pelosi to fill the committee at her discretion. Do you agree with McCarthy's decision?

The composition of the committee is entirely due to GOP choices. First by the Republican filibuster of a prospective Senate commission and then by McCarthy's tantrum. It's hard to lay this at Pelosi's feet.

 

Many, if not most of the Republicans participated or were complicit with The Big Lie, so allowing them to be in the Commission would have only stonewalled it and turned it into a bigger circus. Leaks, tampering, diversion, etc… That’s the problem , here. Republicans are damn near Trump’s co-defendants, so you can’t realistically allow those types on the team. You think Jim Jordan as going to conduct an investigation? You think he wouldn’t badger witnesses with his machine gun style questioning? Be realistic.

 

to wit:

'Just say it was corrupt, and leave the rest up to me and Republican congressmen' -- trump (Dec. 27, 2021)

 

This isn’t a trial. It’s a political exercise. Just like Republicans routinely voting against impeachment of Trump regardless of how guilty he may have been. The political exercise has been better off without stooges like Jordan.

McCarthy pulls his 5 GOP members from 1/6 committee after Pelosi rejects 2 of his picks

 

But Schiff was acceptable?

Quotes from National Revew, a conservative but anti-Trump publication.


"The panel continues to make a compelling case that former president Donald Trump was and is unfit for the office. But its one-sidedness and lack of basic due process render much of its work suspect."
...
"Pelosi’s composition of the committee, demonstrates why the inquiry into a matter of great significance is being ignored by much of the country."

I agree.

 

Are you actually saying Schiff participated in January 6th planning and execution? Really?

As a former federal prosecutor and member of the House Intelligence Committee, I welcome his involvement. If you think only people who like trump should be on the committee, you have an interesting take on investigations.

 

I am indifferent on Schiff but why is he unacceptable?

Like I said, it isn’t a trial. Pelosi rejected Republican Trojan horse appointees, as apparently she has the right to do. The Republicans did decide to bow out, for political reasons.

 

Lol... Mike Pence going after President Trump is like a puppy chasing a freight train...not going to end well.

Pence is retiring, and he just wants the free money he gets for pretending to run for something.

 

Of course, she has the right. The price is no one but reporters and partisans are paying attention.

 

But undoubtably the more of the truth is getting on record. I'd gladly trade that for missing on the 0.5% of trump supporters that are capable of critical thinking on such matters.

These hearings have been a home run, in my opinion. Kudos to everyone involved, particularly the cavalcade of Republican witnesses, the two Republican committee members and the Republican investigators.

 

You didn't answer my earlier question. Do you think this price outweighs having congressmen under investigation on the committee?

 

He thinks Tilly is a tea party member?

 

Not a big fan of Mike Pence but a better description would be a sincere Christian going after possibly the most gifted and charismatic con artist in the history of the United States. I guess the proverbial moral of the story is never underestimate the influence of the leader of a cult.

 

Trump is a con artist? That highlighted part describes is Obama perfectly... he's the conman that lied about on the campaign trail versus what he did as POTUS, he more than anyone shifting into someone else after he got placed in the WH.

But Please do tell us what President Trump has done to "con" you or anyone you know. What's the con?

Pence is a noting flounder that would be still a nothing man in Indiana if not for President Trump. And his faith is great and all but it has NOTHING to do with his political career, or lack there of. He's a good man that has done nothing spectacular/extraordinary in his life... politically speaking of course.

 

Trump is a con artist? Of course he was and still is.
One example: Trump University, supposedly a school intended to provide its students with the knowledge to become successful real estate investors. In fact, it was a vehicle to separate gullible persons, frequently working class people experiencing hard times, from their money.
Other examples include Trump's long history of stiffing employees, contractors and lenders. He would enter into contracts, refuse to pay and challenge his victims to sue him. Since they didn't have the assets to challenge Trump they would usually settle for pennies on the dollar of what Trump actually owed them. Then there was Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts, Trump's one publicly traded company which he managed into bankruptcy and screwed its shareholders while paying himself an estimated $80 million in the process.

 

Pence is a nothing burger. He will lose against other pub candidates if he tries to run for Prez. Your next Prez will either be Trump or DeSantis.

 

Fixed it for you.
Pence is a nothing burger. He will lose against other pub candidates if he tries to run for Prez. Your next Prez will either be Trump or DeSantis, Biden again or some Democrat other than Biden.

If Trump does end up with the Republican nomination he will win the election just like he won the 2020 election which he did according to himself and a majority of self-identified Republicans.