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Nobody's gotten to the bottom of 9/11

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by pkaib01, Jul 28, 2022.

  1. GrandPrixGator

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    and not gotten this treatment from the whole populace.

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  2. RIP

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    He sounds so tired.
     
  3. uftaipan

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    There he is!
     
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  4. tampagtr

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    For All Mankind, arguably the best show on TV right now not named Better Call Saul, has a prominent conspiracy theory even with its alternative history. It eats at and corrodes the community of NASA.
     
  5. tarponbro

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    The reporters wouldn't sit on it. The higher ups, you never know. The report also could've been sent out early and the BBC got lazy and didn't get another source for confirmation. There are a lot of questionable things people did in regards to 911. This is just one example. I went through this a few years ago on September 11.
     
  6. tarponbro

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    It got us into the Middle East. What country is between Iraq and Afghanistan? You guessed it, Iran. What better way to keep them under control than have the US military surround them. These were old school politicians and their higher ups that probably liked us being in Vietnam.
     
  7. antny1

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    Getting us to take bait isn't far fetched or hard to believe. The purported execution through some grand conspiracy involving "inside jobs", proven myths and predetermined news scripts is where the mental gymnastics come in.
     
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  8. tarponbro

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    I agree that it's hard to even suspect that people in our country helped execute 911. It took me several years before I started to question whether the American people were lied to about 911. When it happened the only thing I thought was unusual was why a building came straight down in its footprint.
     
  9. antny1

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    That too was addressed. Has everything to do with the steel tubular construction of the towers and their support system. Totally different than day the Edward r. Murrow building in Oklahoma or even WTC7. It really isn't that hard to believe.
     
  10. tilly

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    That... and even 1 and 2 didnt stay completely in their footprint. The South tower actually rotated and tilted a bit over the planes impact point. Think of cutting a tree down and axing the notch wth the axe. The tree bends toward the notch.

    Unlike a tree though the density was destroyed as steel loses 90% of its strength at just half its melting point. 90%.

    So that "notch" made the top of the tree give way and 1000's of tons were now pressing down on the 90% weekend steel so the natural path was straighter down with no density to push the "tree" outward.

    It was as if the "tree" was hollowed out by fire and the bark was what was left holding the top of the tree.

    It did twist and lean outside of its footprint though.
     
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  11. uftaipan

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    Nah, nah, nah, man. Experimental super thermite rigged at the precise point of aircraft impact that was totally resistant to sympathetic detonation. Ockham’s Razor, man.
     
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  12. ursidman

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    I think he mentioned it started with an assault on an airport
     
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  13. tilly

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    Note the twist and lean over the "axe notch" left by the plane. [​IMG]
     
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  14. antny1

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    Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation

    Great explanation here. Particularly how the fire didn't melt steel but uneven heating caused weakness that eventually caused buckling, the fact that 95% of the building was air due to construction design and that the building took approximately 10 seconds to fall due to the buckling at each subsequent level as it collapsed, i.e not a free fall or demolition.
     
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  15. tilly

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    Great read. Thanks!
     
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  16. tarponbro

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    I don't remember which building I thought looked like it stayed in its footprint. I could've been bldg 7 but I don't remember which one.
     
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  18. VAg8r1

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    Here's a rational explanation for the collapse of Building 7
    What caused the fires in WTC 7?
    Debris from the collapse of WTC 1, which was 370 feet to the south, ignited fires on at least 10 floors in the building at its south and west faces. However, only the fires on some of the lower floors-7 through 9 and 11 through 13-burned out of control. These lower-floor fires-which spread and grew because the water supply to the automatic sprinkler system for these floors had failed-were similar to building fires experienced in other tall buildings. The primary and backup water supply to the sprinkler systems for the lower floors relied on the city's water supply, whose lines were damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2. These uncontrolled lower-floor fires eventually spread to the northeast part of WTC 7, where the building's collapse began.

    How did the fires cause WTC 7 to collapse?
    The heat from the uncontrolled fires caused steel floor beams and girders to thermally expand, leading to a chain of events that caused a key structural column to fail. The failure of this structural column then initiated a fire-induced progressive collapse of the entire building.

    According to the report's probable collapse sequence, heat from the uncontrolled fires caused thermal expansion of the steel beams on the lower floors of the east side of WTC 7, damaging the floor framing on multiple floors. Eventually, a girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to a critical column, Column 79, that provided support for the long floor spans on the east side of the building (see Diagram 1). The displaced girder and other local fire-induced damage caused Floor 13 to collapse, beginning a cascade of floor failures down to the 5th floor. Many of these floors had already been at least partially weakened by the fires in the vicinity of Column 79. This collapse of floors left Column 79 insufficiently supported in the east-west direction over nine stories.
    Questions and Answers about the NIST WTC 7 Investigation
     
  19. cocodrilo

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    Thanks. And here's a rational explanation for the building not collapsing due to fire.

    World Trade Center 7 building did not collapse due to fire: Report - constructconnect.com - Daily Commercial News
     
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  20. antny1

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    Guess the fire department was in on it too since they just let the fires in WTC7 burn uncontrolled muah ahahahahah.
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