This is a joke just like the impeachment bullshit, and those who are gullible like you just eat it up. That's what is astonishing, actually pathetic
I find that Pence thing weird, but that’s the sort of belief I can at least respect him for living according to his values. If I were to critique it, it’s basically that he suggests he can’t control his own impulses which implies a sort of weakness. But whatever. Here’s the thing. If he wants to set up a seemingly strange set of rules for himself to make sure he is “faithful”. I’m 100% cool with that and wouldn’t mock him too much. The problem from these fundamentalists is when they want to impose their rules on others. Further, they got on board with a total shit turd like Trump who absolutely shreds their stated values in an industrial scale shredder, pisses into the trash can, then lights the whole thing on fire. It’s hard to take them seriously after that alignment.
Totally clear he is not. Any true patriotic pro-Democracy American absolutely should be watching those hearings.
Are those people your superiors? I have a superior (executive director) that is female. She dictates the meeting in that case. Anyone reporting TOO me will have an open door or in a serious case have someone else present. Seriously? Its BECAUSE it's the 21st century. A female boss was the one who first had this discussion with me a few years back. It was her policy. This is becoming pretty standard HR practice for a lot of businesses these days. I will only meet open door with very few exceptions and if the meeting is in any way of the negative variety, there will be a 3rd party. Much like a student teacher meeting will generally be open door. This policy isnt just mine. A lot of businesses do this to protect both parties in the 21st century. FTR, my wife could care less how I meet with people lol. She meets with clients alone all the time. I do it strictly as an HR precaution. Also note above that I included HE/HE into the equation. This is about more than just sexual harassment protection. There are many good reasons for the policy.
Yes, they are all superiors. Is it not possible to sexually harass or be tempted by a superior? But I’ve been a teacher for 4.5 years. Before that I was management in multiple companies and met with female direct reports regularly. Again, it would’ve been ridiculous for me to arrange multi-person meetings for every single person meeting, they were basically daily. A monumental waste of resources for either the Pencetation Island silliness or this Lying Woman idea. I toe this line with students for different reasons: 1) Their is a legion of parents constantly on the prowl for scandal. Why so many are active opponents I’ll never know. 2) Kids are real dumb about a lot of things, the nuances of sex def one. I have personal experience, having been one. They misinterpret things on the reg. 3) Lots of kids have crap home lives and look for emotional support in inappropriate ways. It didn’t take a month for a female student to start showing up between classes, before and after school, being overtly flirtatious, etc. It was clear to me she saw this as some sort of valuable social capital with her peers. And I was indeed aware of a horrendous home life for her. She failed her senior year including my class. She went to a different county school we have for students with exceptional challenges and made it through. She came back the next year with her counselor from that school to thank me for being a “father figure.” Uhhhh…what in the 6th letter are you talking about?? Yay, and yikes?? 4) There has never been a #metoo movement for HS students who accuse teachers. It is conviction on the spot. I will never walk back ANY accusation. The best outcome is that I have some outlandish, unassailable video evidence of my innocence, and that the parents at the new school I have to go to in a different state haven’t found this story on FB. This happened at my school, before I arrived. A teacher was on the attendance (absence) list every day. I later learned he’d been accused, the student retracted with a full explanation about trying to garner attention and affection from home, etc. Fully exonerated. But he never came back, and to this day when his name comes up so does that accusation, usually THEN qualified as not actually true. But the lede is the accusation. He could never walk a hall there again. I don’t know where he went. For Pence, I find it beyond pathetic that a grown ass man has this debilitating temptation problem. Your take is not monumentally weak like that, and I don’t discount it in full. I see no inherent problem with universal group meetings per se, if resources allow. I just don’t see how most operations have that kind of cushion, or these devious female employees relentlessly prowling to jam up Mr. Nice Guy.
Informative post and you have a lot in there. I can certainly relate to your experience as I was a high school counselor. I always kept my door open and the female counselors told me that was definitely the best practice.
Some of these folks believe they are patriotic, but I don't think they know what patriotism really means. I also don't believe they really "think" about issues in the sense of "ponder" or "observe objectively". They just react because there is some emotional need to identify with Trump, or people like him. Calling the Committee hearings "a joke", for example, is not the result of rational thought. Chances are flgator2 hasn't even watched the hearings. This isn't totally a criticism because we all do it at some level about some things. However, it's damn difficult not to conclude that Trump imperiled Democracy for the simple reason he was taught as a wee lad to NEVER acknowledge defeat.
I remember during the Clinton impeachment, Democrats did watch, and his fellow elected officials were scathing in their criticism of Clinton. While his crime was far less serious than what Trump is accused of, by the way it was handled you would have thought he did something far worse than lying about an extra-marital affair under oath. Clinton eventually looked the American people in the eye, confessed to his crimes, and asked for forgiveness. What we are witnessing is so frustrating, because this is really on the Republicans to be responsible and at least watch the hearings. This is a slam dunk case that Republicans are attempting to paint as a weak case without even watching the proceedings. Very frustrating.
1. We have the ability because my staff is small. Generally around 20 people. My assistant's office is right next to mine and most things can be done 1v1 with the door open. Or she can step in for more serious discussions. 2. Mr Pence lives in a world where scandalous attempts lurk behind every door (pun intended). This policy protects both ways. My point is for many people this is becoming a norm in the modern world. Lawyers are lurking. People want to blame others for everything. It's just the world we are in. Having a 3rd party there for any witness purpose for serious discussions (discipline etc) is imperative. Also we are a public facing non profit that gets a pretty good amount of good media here in our city. That makes us overly cautious perhaps. And I think its worth noting that those parents "prowing for scandal" that you mention, also work somewhere. They will be looking there too.
Sorry, meant to comment on this part too. I agree 100% this can happen. My executive director is a female. She calls the shots on those meetings. Of course she could do something unethical, but that falls on her as the superior. I am obligated to meet with her 1v1 at times as that is how she still does things. When dealing with those who report to me, I never want anyone to say that I leveraged my position in a way that is unethical. I never terminate an employee without a 3rd party in the room. That 3rd party has to be someone above the person being terminated. The only exception would be my assistant since she is 2nd in command so to speak. I would then have our HR director drive over. Thankfully my assistant is amazing and will never put me in that position. Our building is very diverse. In addition to the paid staff, I also have a plethora of volunteers that I dont know from Adam and court appointed community service workers as well in my warehouse for instance. There are a lot of people in these buildings that I have no trust equity built up with. I understand that my situation may be a bit unique just because our building's demographic is pretty unique.
100% agree on a termination meeting. That is almost certain to illicit a negative response. I too never fired someone solo. In fact, I always had actual HR in the room. I also never had solo discipline meetings for the same reason. I was comfortable with a non-HR witness in those since it wasn’t termination and not as likely to go nuclear. And having no personal equity/trust is certainly a complicating factor. I also had people I did not know well, and I also went out of my way to separate work and personal. I’m not going to the bar with the crew. IMO it blurred lines. I kept a very clear delineation. I’m your boss, not your friend. I do that with students too. We’re not buddies. If I see you after graduation, different world. Maybe then, although to be frank, prolly not then either. My buddy card is full up and 20 year-olds are low priority. But that goes for all people, not just female employees.
I never gave it much thought nor could I. Iworked in the field with many female grad students andtechnicians- most of the time just me and them. All night long, all day long. In very remote locations. Sometimes taking a dip in a lake when it got too hot. How did they ever manage to keep their hands off me?However they did it, we never had any problems. Most have kept in touch, I attended their graduations and weddings and held their babies. Guess I must have unknowingly dodged several bullets.
Getting back to the subject of this thread according to recent polls it looks like Kari Lake, a priestess in the Cult of the Dear Leader, is ahead of Karrin Taylor Robson, even though Robson has been endorsed by both Mike Pence and Doug Ducey, the outgoing governor of Arizona. Although the situation can always change it still looks like the Republican Party in Arizona is more of a cult of personality centered around worship of the former president than a rational conservative party.
Lol... Pence is quite literally living off the scraps of Trump's table/name. 3,000 Attended Pence’s Florida Rally at a Retirement Community [Crowd Photos]
Mike Pence sold his soul for nothing Pence prostituted his reputation for Christian piety to the most vile figure in the history of American presidential politics, a man who modeled the opposite of every virtue taught in Sunday school. Pence's pious conscience was remarkably quiescent when Trump encouraged his followers to rough up hecklers; when he bore false witness against Muslim Americans (falsely claiming that he saw them celebrating after 9/11); when he attempted to extort the president of Ukraine to lie about Joe Biden; when he separated asylum-seeking parents from their children; when he refused to condemn the tiki-torch Nazi wannabees in Charlottesville; when he elevated a series of kooks and conspiracists to high office; and when he insisted that the election had been stolen. Pence was fine with all of it.
Not the worse political move, just that who is attempting to administer it is kind of exactly what has gotten DC all out-of-whack. Cronies and their pact feels like stability but all it is is a HUGE money grab. It feels as if he has changed alliances from cleaning up the mess from the Trump elephant to the elephants known as establishment DC power. The elephant janitor, as noble a job as there is, is still happily covered in crap. I guess he thinks it is a job that pays well.
