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Archaeologists are now in the transgender firing line

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, Jul 24, 2022.

  1. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

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    Calls to have them stop identifying gender in human remains. Because….we don’t know how the person would have self identified. Forget the fact that the info is critical to understanding cultures and how they operated.

    Gender activists push to bar anthropologists from identifying human remains as ‘male’ or ‘female’ | The College Fix

    but not just that, identifying race apparently adds to white supremacy, despite the fact that it’s also often critical info for archaeologists.

    Forensic anthropologists urge scientists to stop saying skeletons have biological race | The College Fix

    And you wonder why a group of seditionists is outpolling dems? It has devolved into sheer lunacy.
     
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  2. docspor

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    Can we have a third party that’s not obsessed with stupid?
     
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  3. homer

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    Lol
     
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  4. ncargat1

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    Who exactly would be in it??
     
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  5. pkaib01

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    I also want to know why a group of seditionist is outpolling dems. Anti-democratic sentiment? Brainwashing? Absolute near sighted stupidity?

    I'd also like to understand the true scope of the "all dems are gender activists" gross generalization.
     
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  6. citygator

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    I didn’t see a quote from a democratic leader. How about some perspective on what is and isn’t in the democratic platform?

    About 80% of Americans believe in Angels with about 40% believing in climate change impacts of man. Some people are just weird.
     
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    Yeah. Some people even believe the son of God lived as a man and rose from the dead. What does that have to do with Queen Tut and their stylin' stepdad Nefertiti?
     
  8. oragator1

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    The point of the polling was thinking back to 2012. One of the reasons Obama beat Romney was because of the whackadoodles continually saying moronic things on the right that got tagged to the party. The one guy who was telling women to put a pill between their legs, another who said rape can’t lead to pregnancy etc. That is what’s happening now - be it “defund the police”, nominating Lia Thomas for woman of the year or this stuff. At no point will a dem stand up and call this stuff out because they don’t want to alienate the base, so they get associated with it. Both parties deserve what they get when they won’t stand up to their own crazies.

    and by the way, surprised the source hasn’t been mentioned yet- it is from a clearly right wing one, but it was the best cited article on both subjects, which was why I used them. If anything in them is wrong I will find something better.
     
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    “We propose a gender-expansive approach to human identification by combing missing and unidentified databases looking for contextual clues such as decedents wearing clothing culturally coded to a gender other than their assigned sex,” the group’s mission statement reads.
    So much for Calamity Jane
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    And some think we landed on the moon. Lol
     
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  11. kygator

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    How about they just identify the biological sex. I thought the trans movement was against people making assumptions about gender.
     
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  12. channingcrowderhungry

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    Bottom of a pint glass
    Me and you
     
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  13. RealGatorFan

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    She wore men's clothing because at the time women and guns were shunned by society. But she was married twice and had 2 kids and was more woman than most women in Hollywood today. Most don't know she was a dance-hall girl and alleged prostitute too. Amazing sharpshooter too.
     
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    You have an interesting point. “Men’s” clothing in this case was just practical clothing for her profession. If a future archeologist discovered the remains of a female soldier or mechanic in her utility uniform, would that archeologist correctly conclude that the female actually identified as a man?
     
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    i would not have been shocked if this were to come from the Onion.
     
  16. Gatorrick22

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    This whole transgender take-over BS has to end now. It was once funny now it's getting way out of control.
     
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  17. gator_lawyer

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    Call it sex. Problem solved. This is a silly thing for activists to make a stink over.
    Race isn't biological. It's a social construct. So I actually think there's a lot of merit to the argument that we shouldn't try to treat it as biological. That starts to sound a lot like eugenics.
     
  18. oragator1

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    Even if it’s not perfect, it’s still important. As an example, as you probably know, there were heavy discrimination laws against Asians up until the early 20th century, things like the Chinese exclusion act, Mostly affecting the west coast. So if you as an archeologist finds an Asian body buried next to a white body in an old San Francisco gravesite that’s no longer marked, that would raise all kinds of questions. Was interracial marriage more common than thought (if they are different sexes)? Did the city bury them together and we didn’t know? Were they peers? Were they buried similarly, indicating similar social status?
    And we can’t explore that because of political correctness? As a history major, that’s just dumb, and counterproductive. As long as race relations (artificial or not) are part of our history, they need to part of archaeology. To use a current example, in 200 years, seeing how AAs lived will be really relevant to understanding the culture and racism today.
    Just shortsighted and reactionary, especially considering I have never heard a chorus of people claiming archeologists are using it to degrade or minimize groups. It’s actually the opposite.
     
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  19. tampagtr

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    It’s a stupid hit piece, just trying to foment hatred
     
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    As Phillip Bump shows, claiming that transgender activists are the ones “firing shots” in this culture war is Putinesque phrasing about the aggression of Ukrainian civilians in Bucha


    Employees of Hartford Public Schools were targeted with threats after a school nurse gained national media attention for being suspended for comments about transgender students. A school district in Wisconsin canceled in-person classes for the year and its graduation ceremony after bomb threats against the school and employees. The threats followed national media covering an incident in which students faced investigation for transphobic comments. A man who faced charges for threatening Merriam-Webster over its definitions of gender had also threatened to “shoot up” a state school board meeting in Wisconsin “for promoting the horrific, radical transgender agenda.” Texas implemented a law in which parents of trans children could be investigated for child abuse. In Alabama, the governor signed a law banning transition care.

    The mayor of a town in Mississippi threatened to pull funding from the town library for providing LGBTQ material. A public official in North Carolina made a similar threat. Libraries removed pride displays under pressure in South Carolina and Utah. The library in Vinton, Iowa, was forced to close after its director — the third in two years — resigned following a pressure campaign that included objections to LGBTQ books and ones by Jill Biden and Kamala D. Harris. The American Library Association felt compelled to release a statement condemning “the alarming increase in acts of aggression toward library workers and patrons.” Florida passed a law banning books in school libraries or on reading lists that are “inappropriate” for students’ grade levels and that allows parents to lodge objections to included books. From July 1, 2021, through March, PEN America counted 1,586 instances of efforts to ban books in the United States.

    Members of the right-wing extremist group Proud Boys, at times armed, interrupted drag queen story hour events in California, Nevadaand Texas. Members also attempted to storm a bar near Sacramentowhere a drag show had been planned but was canceled because of threats of violence. A drag queen story hour event in North Carolina was canceled after a series of threats. A drag queen story time event at a library in Connecticut was moved after workers received emails including anti-gay language and comments interpreted as threats. A gay state senator in California was a target of bomb threats that accused him of being a “groomer.” The openly gay mayor of a town in Oklahoma resigned after facing repeated threats. Thirty-one members of a white supremacist group were arrested in Idaho before they could start a riot at a pride parade. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) signed a bill restricting discussion of same-sex relationships in schools and his state promoted a civics initiative with overtly right-wing interpretations of foundational events and that played down slavery. Fifty-seven Black churches and historically Black colleges and universities were targeted with bomb threats.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...text-cancellation-dave-chappelle-performance/


    Pieces like this just try to create more examples for an updated Bump column.