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Polio/Vaccine Hesitancy?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by QGator2414, Jul 21, 2022.

  1. Trickster

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    That is simply untrue, and I have no idea why you and others keep saying that (unless it's the deadly confirmation bias). More importantly, why does it even matter what you call it? The world's best experts have said there was a shot that either prevented one from contracting COVID or reduced the severity of it, and in any event helped stop the spread to others. This shot did this by stimulating the immune system. Hmmm, I wonder what the experts call such a shot.

    Many claims like yours refer to “the medical definition of a vaccine." In fact, there isn’t just one single definition. The CDC and the HHS define vaccines as aids to prevent disease.

    The CDC says vaccines are “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.

    The HHS says that a vaccine “is made from very small amounts of weak or dead germs that can cause diseases — for example, viruses, bacteria, or toxins. It prepares your body to fight the disease faster and more effectively so you won’t get sick.”

    Dr. Daniel Salmon, who is trained in vaccinology and is a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, explained that vaccines are preventive “and a preventative vaccine is something you give to your body that stimulates an immune response, so when you're exposed to the natural infection, your body will already be prepared to respond.”

    Finally, note the following: COVID-19 Vaccines: Myth Versus Fact | Johns Hopkins Medicine
     
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  2. Trickster

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    Then other than your unexplainable venom toward a good man trying to do his best in a global health emergency, I'm not sure what your point is. There is certainly no evidence that Fauci and the experts are the misguided charlatans you and a few make them out to be.

    I am curious what education, experience and expertise you have to make these nasty allegations.
     
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  3. fubar1

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    I’m sure an experimental vaccine based on a brand new platform, with vaccine makers having full immunity contributed absolutely nothing to the mistrust.
     
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  4. danmanne65

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    I am trying to imagine how you could post such garbage. I am not able to think of any reason that couldn’t be seen as a personal attack.
     
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  5. RIP

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    Who said it contributed absolutely nothing? No need for hyperbole. Was there an anti-vax movement before COVID? There is a link in this thread discussing the reasons.
     
  6. duchen

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    The WAPO article posted a few minutes ago said he lives in a community in Rockland County which is historically under-vaccinated. The last polio outbreak was in that County long before COVID. Certain Orthodox Jews don’t get any of the vaccines. COVID has nothing to do with this.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/07/21/polio-rockland-county-unvaccinated/
     
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  7. danmanne65

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    Religious fundamentalists are a bane.
     
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  8. duchen

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    There is nothing about vaccines or the polio vaccine that is prohibited by Jewish law. It is not religious fundamentalism. Many do get vaccinated across all orthodox Jewish groups.
     
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  9. G8trGr8t

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    No it has lots to do with the internet helping people find alternative facts to support their fallacies and a general disinformation attack on science based information that doesn't match their personal agenda. People in general don't want to hear what they don't want to hear and we had a potus that refuses to hear the truth and punished anybody that dared to try and tell him the truth. When your leader sets that example, lots of people will follow blindly along
     
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  10. danmanne65

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    I am confused. You posted the above after posting this
     
  11. duchen

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    There is nothing inconsistent with what I said. There is nothing on Jewish law that prevents Jews from getting vaccinated. A large number of Orthodox Jews in some places do not. Rockland County is one such place. But it is not based on religious objection. But they just don’t get these vaccines. Not based on religious objection.
     
  12. fubar1

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    Q said a lot of trust was damaged during the pandemic and that’s true. And you mentioned the anti-vax movement ramping up before COVID, and that’s also true.

    my point was simply the vaccines for this pandemic greatly amplified that distrust and I believe the anti-vax movement took a quantum leap forward with COVID.
     
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  13. danmanne65

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    So why do they not get the vaccines? You mentioned that there was an orthodox grouping in the area. Why else other than some fundamentalist belief wouldn’t they get a vaccine? Is there a lot of lead in the water?
     
  14. duchen

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    There is a lot of superstition and ignorance.
     
  15. duchen

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    Here is a link. There are many.
    Religious Doctrine and Attitudes Toward Vaccination in Jewish Law
     
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  19. danmanne65

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    Sounds like my condemnation of fundamentalism.
     
  20. duchen

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    Well you need to actually read the links and break away from your preconceived notions. Perhaps arising from your views about religion. Because you are wrong. The Superstition is not based on religious belief. The links quote leading religious sources.