It should be noted that the majority of those studies have not been peer reviewed and that some of them are actually showing positive effects on economic performance of immigration.
So if we built a wall or a fence that partially covered the border, like the Vatican Wall and most of those on that list (which contains a bunch of partial fences and walls), you would say it was secure?
Sure. Have them bottleneck at certain crossings. Not difficult. Only someone with an agenda thinks it's undoable. Yes, it will cost a ton of money. No debate there. But yes, build a wall like the West Bank covering the southern border. Have openings only at certain areas. Not rocket science. How did all these other countries figure out how to do it yet we can't?
Best recitation I've seen in a long time on this issue, an issue which is often addressed more by emotion than equanimity.
Well, good news: we already have a partial fencing and wall border. And it did cost a bunch of money. So everything good now?
What other border is 2,000 miles along, and includes a large area of inhospitable terrain that is difficult to get to by motorized vehicle, and prone to wild weather swings? The West Bank wall is less than 450 miles long. It's probably the closest analog to what is being suggested with our border to Mexico. And even with only 1/4 of the length, and a lot less open territory to cover, Israel has admitted it's impossible to seal all the breaches along the border. A rocket scientists would tell you trying to have a fully secure border with Mexico with no breaches is impossible.
I do agree with this as a piece of the solution. But how would you account for those illegals already here who would lose their jobs at that point (assuming that companies comply with the new penalties)? I think amnesty is a terrible idea, but I honestly don't know how to strike the balance between those that get to stay and those that get deported. Also, I would assume there has to be additional security needed to combat the drug trafficking and the cartels.
That's rich coming from you @AzCatFan and the stats you love to quote. Given the the situation at the border I don't hear a single peep from anyone saying send them here.
Maybe you just aren't listening to those who are suffering because there are a lack of available immigrant workers.
Setting aside what life was like inside the border, the old Soviet Union border was a lot longer and they did a very effective job of keeping people from crossing it.
I guess you haven't seen the pics and videos of portions of the walls falling down --even the newer sections, $50 Harbor Freight angle grinders cutting through it in seconds, people easily climbing over it, or going under it ...
Don't blame me for that blame the Federal Government. Better yet lobby your congressional representatives and advertise.
No, not good, which you know. Until the whole southern border is secure, there will be thousands of people coming into the US illegally. Of course you know that as well. Super easy, once finished we won't need to pay so many border patrol officers.
You go cheap on stuff for your house, it breaks down quickly. You get what you pay for. Not sure why people think it's so hard to build a wall. Nothing is full proof but what we have now for sure doesn't come close to working.
We'd just be paying construction workers to repair the wall after it was cut, or after every average summer monsoon storm. And the immigrants would still be coming. This is what Trump's new wall looked like after a recent storm.
Oh, so now a partial wall and fencing doesn't make it secure? So why were you linking me to a bunch of borders with exactly that as being secure?
LOL. People think because the piece of crap that Trump built means all walls will fail. Some people aren't very bright I guess. This West Bank wall is about 20 years old. Looks really run down...
They are secure. Vatican City USED to be fully enclosed. I posted an example of a wall. When Vatican City need to be safe from invaders, they had the walls built to enclose the city. Maybe learn some history. Vatican City Walls – Vatican City - Atlas Obscura. The 39-foot-tall Leonine Wall, as it became known, stretched for a little under two miles as it encircled Vatican Hill. It was the first time the area had been completely enclosed. Once the Muslim threat had passed, many of the city gates were opened.
