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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. l_boy

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    I think the remote risk of mild myocarditis is mostly isolated to teens. The risk is much lower in younger children. The risk in teens can be further mitigated by spacing the shots further apart.
     
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  2. gator95

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    I do love the rationalization of myocarditis. No kid should get the vaccine unless they can be shown to have not NI and have serious underlying conditions. No other reason.
     
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  3. Tjgators

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    This morning, the German Federal Ministry of Health posted a stunning tweet, admitting that 1 out of every 5,000 Covid jabs cause “serious side effects.”

    This figure is likely a sharp underestimate, given the fact that side effect reporting systems for drugs and vaccines are largely voluntary.
     
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  4. ncargat1

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    Any yet, no tweet exists from the actual German Health Ministry Twitter account, nor is there anything on the english version of their website. However, a bunch of anti-vaxx nut jobs are re-tweeting the non-existent tweet.
     
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  5. G8trGr8t

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    link?
     
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  6. ncargat1

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    There isn't one.
     
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  7. philnotfil

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  8. pkaib01

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    I'm sure this is a mistake by the Ministry. If that ratio was true, 120,000 Americans would have been hospitalized or killed by the vaccine given the number of dosages administered.

    Give it a day or two and it will be refuted.

    Edit: this appears to similar the the VAERS misunderstanding that wreaked havoc on our not so bright posters. Here are comments on post vaccine deaths by their equivalent (Paul-Ehrlich-Institut), which is the actual source of the 1/5000 REPORTED severe adverse effects.

    "In about one percent of the suspected case reports (n = 2,810 cases), death was reported at varying time intervals to COVID-19 vaccination. 116 cases were assessed by the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut to be consistent with a causal link to the respective COVID-19 vaccination (probable or possible causal relationship).

    A comparison of the total number of reported suspected adverse events with a fatal outcome occurring between one day and six weeks after COVID-19 vaccination with the number of deaths that would be statistically expected in the same time period (data from the Federal Statistical Office of Germany) did not indicate a safety signal for any of the five COVID-19 vaccines used so far in Germany. This result agrees with literature data1. No fatalities have been reported for the vaccine Nuvaxovid and therefore Nuvaxovid is not listed in the following tables.

    This also applies to booster vaccinations. Since the time between vaccination and first symptoms and/or time of death was not included in all reports, an additional analysis was carried out under the assumption that all deaths, even those occurring at an unknown or very long time after vaccination, occurred within a 30- day timeframe. Again, none of the five approved COVID-19 vaccines (data not presented separately) showed a risk signal for increased post-vaccination mortality"

    https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/Downl...-31-march-2022.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=8

    I consider this matter closed.
     
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  9. AzCatFan

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    The CDC respectfully disagrees with you. By their logic, the increased risk of the more severe MIS-C from COVID infection is a bigger issue than the larger increased risk of almost all mild myocarditis from the vaccine.

    And still waiting on an explanation how the CDC, and I ignored data or lied when coming to this conclusion.
     
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  10. gator95

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    anyone listening to the cdc at this point either has their head in the sand or is stupid. No real middle ground.
     
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  11. AzCatFan

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    Then it should be easy to explain why the CDC, and I are ignoring data and lying, as you say. Or, are you just accusing without any proof to back them up?
     
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  12. Tjgators

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    they actually have an updated tweet saying it's 2 serious injuries per 1,000 doses.
     
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  13. Tjgators

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    The twitter link doesn't show on my computer. They rarely do. This is the page :

    Bundesgesundheitsministerium
    @BMG_Bund

    Updated Post
    "The reporting rate was 1.7 reports per 1,000 vaccine doses for all vaccines combined, and 0.2 reports per 1,000 vaccine doses for serious reactions."
     
  14. homer

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    Fwiw

    15 days out from my first positive test and 20 days out from when I started feeling bad, I’m still positive with the nose swab. Very light line which says I have less cells but still considered a positive test.
     
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  15. Tjgators

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    Today another young (35) year old athlete died from cardiac arrest while jogging in his neighborhood. Why are so many young healthy people dying from cardiac issues and sudden death with no explanation?

    Paul Duncan Obituary - Atlanta, GA

    Go check out the month of June. 93 young athletes from around the world. Many unexpectedly. Just seems very odd so many young healthy people keep dying.

    1199 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 800 Dead, After COVID Injection - Real Science

    I'm not saying it's the Covid injection, but I am questioning why so many dead.
     
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  16. AzCatFan

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    This is to be expected, and fits in line with other studies. This one published in JAMA in Dec, 2021, has very similar results. Serious side effects range from anaphylaxis to significant fever. These were known to occur in small quantities during the trial as well, and the anaphylaxis is why everyone was required to wait 15 minutes after being jabbed before they were released from the area where they were jabbed. A small quantity of people having an allergic reaction was expected, and dealt with swiftly at all locations giving the vaccine.

    As for the cardiac deaths, it's been debunked over and over again.
     
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  17. G8trGr8t

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    0.2 per thousand
    2 per 10k
    Decimals matter

    And these are reported, not documented. BIG difference
     
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    Not nearly as rare as Real Science (which is NOT real science at all) would have you believe: From Mayo Clinic :
    " Most sudden cardiac deaths are in older adults, particularly those with heart disease. Yet sudden cardiac arrest is the leading cause of death in young athletes. Estimates vary, but some reports suggest that about 1 in 50,000 to 1 in 80,000 young athletes die of sudden cardiac death each year."

    BTW :
    • Overall, we rate Real Science (goodsciencing.com) right biased and Questionable based on the promotion of quackery level pseudoscience, the use of poor sources, propaganda, failed fact checks, and a complete lack of transparency.
     
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  19. l_boy

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    Bullshit.
     
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  20. Tjgators

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    Again the Poynter Institute is as liberal as they come and Politifact is run by left wing "journalist" at the Tampa Bay Times. There last 3 big endorsements went to Gillum, Hillary and Biden. It has not been debunked over and over again.
     
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