UK facing it's hottest weather ever, wildfires in Spain and France

I think our best option is to follow the science, but also with a reasonable eye on the present.

Its so hard to know what to think when we are reacting to such a small fraction of the earths history.

We have no idea what the temperature was in the land that is now London 10k years ago. That creates skeptical thinking. It isnt all just political. Some of us have real questions.

 

could this have anything to do with it? any of our northern gators seeing northern lights at night?

A 'direct hit' of radiation from the sun has formed a solar storm around Earth (msn.com)

A solar storm with the potential to affect satellites is building around our planet.

Space weather experts say that a ‘snake-like filament’ of radiation that burst from the sun on Friday has now reached our planet, causing intense auroras over parts of North America.

Currently at ‘Kp-4’ level, there’s a good chance this geomagnetic activity will reach ‘Kp-5’, when it will be designated a G1-level ‘solar storm’. It may remain at this level for another two days, according to SpaceWeather.com.

The Kp scale is used to measure geomagnetic activity in the Earth’s atmosphere, while the G scale measures the intensity of solar storms.

Although G1 indicates a minor storm, it could still have some impact on satellite activity, potentially disrupting the systems on Earth that rely on them. It may even cause minor power grid fluctuations.

 

I picked 3 cities randomly and googled the hottest day ever. Here are the results.
Ocala FL June 8 1933 and june 4 1985 tied at 105 degrees
Austin Tx Sept 5 2000 112 degrees
Springfield Mo July 30 1986 108 degrees

That is enough for me not to lose any sleep over today's temperature in England.

 

The shit will get real when banks stop 30 year financing on waterfront property, until then, party on garth!

 

Yes, we actually do have an idea what the temperature was like in the UK 10K years ago: it was the ending of an Ice Age. The Island was still connected to Europe due to the cold temperatures.

It is all political. There is plenty of climate science on both the history of the world's climate as well as both the underlying mechanisms and now real world data.

 

I would be more interested in top 10 hottest days. If the great majority of them are in the last decade, well...or maybe the average July temperature for the last 30 years versus the last 10 years

 

I was in Wichita Falls Tx in July 2011. We had to stop and get a hotel during the day because the car A/C wasnt cool enough for us to drive through during the day @ 110F. Every heatwave or Hurricane the climate folks start whining. It gets old... If they are so concerned about it, start a business that converts CO2 to fuel. We will need the tech on Mars. Some folks question why space travel is necessary... Well here is an opportunity to fix something and progress at the same time.

Also, The Ocala number is a good example of why data is sometimes not the entire picture. In 1933, Ocala was nothing. I doubt it created much of a heat island. Fast forward to today, the same temp would probably read much higher than 105F thanks to development.

 

Tillys point still stands even though his 10K number is wrong. Many, many times and for much longer periods the earth has been warmer than it is today.

 

1. Admit there is a problem, and stop the "it is a hoax" BS.
2. US should lead by example. Don't wait for India and China (who by the way are doing a lot) to solve their problems. The US on a per-Capita basis is much larger of a polluter than anyone else - we need to take ownership and show the way.
3. Go all in on Solar and Wind. They are already cost competitive w/ fossil fuels but imagine what could have been if we had put 300 Billion per year into renewables rather than giving it the already bloated Military Industrial complex.
4. Promote efficiency improvements.
5. Promote personal responsibility and actions to reduce individual carbon footprints. Most all of which actually save you money.

 

I'll co-opt the Republican devised solution to pollution issues: cap-and-trade. It is amazing how much this mirrors healthcare. Republicans in the mid-80s through the mid-90s come up with a market based solution as an alternative to command-and-control regulations. They officially propose it as a solution (in the case of healthcare) or actually implement it (in the case of cap-and-trade with Montreal Protocol). Democrats begin to agree to these as solutions. Suddenly, their own ideas are leftist extremism.

Of course, the fun on the Montreal Protocol, which worked to slow and eventual stop the destruction of the Ozone layer, bad faith right-wingers are now using it as an example as to why we don't need to worry about global warming.

 

Generally with explanations (i.e., some easy to explain event caused a period of warming). Climate changing at this rate doesn't happen without a global climactic event (e.g., an asteroid hitting the Earth or a cataclysmic volcanic eruption). The global climactic event in this case has been the unprecedented amount of greenhouse gases produced by humans.

 

Cap and trade was also how we solved the acid rain problem. It has a proven track record of succeeding in solving environmental problems.

 

And those dirty climate scientists just want to keep it a secret too!

https://www.climate.gov/news-featur...ose first scorching,and 250 million years ago.

 

Or when the government stops subsidizing flood insurance for said property. If the property owner is able to provide proof of insurance for structures on the property the banks will gladly finance the purchases.

 

Not sure your point.

What Geology Has to Say About Global Warming

 

Correct, I tried to pick 3 cities that were mid sized. Not big enough for the pavement to have a really huge effect. Austin must have grown some since I was last there in the 60s I didn't realize it had a population of 900k.

 

I was commenting on apologetics not the truth of climate change.

 

I know I'm replying to my own post, but I did a little quick math and came up $300 Billion per year being equivalent to putting solar on 20 million houses per year. ($15,000 per house).

When the pubs tell you "we can't do anything" about it, or it is too expensive, just remember they had no problem increasing spending by $3 trillion over 10 years for the military.

 

Doesn't solve anything.

If you think China and India are "doing their part" but the US isn't, you are not judging these countries fairly. Let's say we lead by example, again, bandaid on a gaping wound. It won't do much to stop climate change, but it can do a Hell of a lot to damage our economy.

No, they are not cost competitive or efficiency competitive with fossil fuels. Fossil fuels and nuclear energy are far more efficient than wind and solar. Military defense, especially considering other countries rely on our military, and economy are far more pressing concerns than climate change. But I agree that we can probably afford to cut military spending. But to just swap our military spending for spending on solar and wind suggesting this would solve the climate crisis without drastic negative ramifications on our economy or defense is foolish.

See above. Also, if the government is one thing, it's inefficient.

If this were the case we'd already be doing it.

 

This is hilarious. A theatre (hey its England) chain in England offered free tickets to gingers on the hottest day of the year.
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Free Tickets For Redheads At Showcase Cinemas