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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by SeabudGator, Jul 18, 2022.

  1. dangolegators

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    Thanks.
     
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  2. reboundgtr

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    Scary
     
  3. QGator2414

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    You are right about many lack a moral compass. That said…Trump provided some morality to the American compass with three supreme court nominees who corrected a mistake and judicial power grab from the past. :cool::confused:o_O:eek::devil::ninja3:
     
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  4. Trickster

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    I'm having trouble deciphering all those emoji things.
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    No one is threatening to establish their religion.
     
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  6. gatorplank

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    I don't think woke is always used in a derogatory sense. My purpose in using it is not to put anyone down. It is descriptive of an ideology that no other word or phrase can efficiently describe. You are free to agree or disagree with that ideology.
     
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  7. Trickster

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    That is most disingenuous.
     
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  8. gatorplank

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    Oh my goodness. So scary.
    The government has to obey the constitution. :eek::mad::confused::(
    The government has to pass just laws in the judiciary and the legislative branch. :eek::mad::confused::(
    And God loves America. :eek::mad::confused::(
    I guess we are doomed if they take over. :confused::confused::confused::confused:
    Can't have any of that stuff happening.

    On a serious note, there is something a little cringy about that. The part about the blood of Jesus covering America. That right there is false and not biblical. It's also theologically problematic, but that is not the part you are probably freaking out about.
     
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  9. ursidman

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    Agreed

    When you get a crowd of people whipped into an emotional frenzy and convince them Jesus is on their side, there is nothing they won't do to serve what they are told is THE righteous cause.
     
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  10. SeabudGator

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    About 50% of evangelicals believe Trump was anointed by God. Half of evangelicals believe Trump is anointed by God
    The VAST majority of Americans support separation of Church/state, but 36% of evangelical protestants believe we should merge church/state (presumably their church).

    This is not a few churches but tens of millions of people.

    This is proven wrong when people want to abolish separation of church/state. as shown above.

    Not sure if you have ever read Roe or Dobbs. Roe is a weak decision. So is Dobbs. Both teeter on very poor logic. Roe found rights where the constitution was silent. Dobbs ignores that abortion was common in 1776 while finding it banned in most/all states 1910. Yet, Dobbs fails to acknowledge that women could not vote until 1920, and did not serve on the supreme or federal courts then. The "judicial power grab" was a response to the utter absence of power by women, and the current judicial refusal to recognize the sovereignty of an individual over their body will produce enormous political repercussions. I respect people who believe life begins at conception, but overturning Roe is the worst thing that could happen to Republican politicians.
     
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  11. QGator2414

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    Separation of Church and State is a boogeyman phrase.

    There are not a bunch if Christians trying to establish their religion. Good grief…there is enough disagreement with doctrine that it would never fly.

    I have never met a Christian who wants to Establish Christianity as everyone’s religion. I have met many that want to Freely Express their religion though.
     
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  12. SeabudGator

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    You have never met anyone who believes this so it must not be true? My goodness, we have politicians (Boboert "tired of seperation of church/state junk") and millions of people who openly reject separation of church and state, but it is a "bogeyman". Are you willfully blind, abjectly ignorant, or cunning?

    Edit to address the "funny emoji" you put in about millions of Americans rejecting separation of church/state. Undermining a founding principal of this country is "funny"? This country is in trouble.
     
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  13. PITBOSS

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    Correct a Judicial power grab?! What do you think 3 staunch conservative justices are that sharply skewed the court?!
     
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  14. QGator2414

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    I think you fail to understand the First Amendment and are allowing a phrase to be something it is not.

    We are afforded the right to Freely Express our religion. We are not to Establish a state religion.

    It is absolute hysteria to think people are trying to Establish Christianity as the State religion of this country.
     
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  15. tegator80

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    Well said. I have gotten to a place where I don't mind giving the phrase "Christian" to "those folks", which is the vast, VAST majority of folks for a plethora of reasons. I prefer to attempt to become (and identify, even as bad a phrase this is now) a Jesus Disciple. And in that light, I say attempt. If you begin to get what that means, it is HUGE to truly do what Jesus commands us to do, "give up all what you think is valuable and follow me". There is a stark and very fundamental difference between spirituality and religion. Religion is winning everything.

    I do not dismiss the notion that religion is an attempt by the powerful to keep us minion types in a tidy and compliant organization for their use. Jesus fought them with voracity. And they were complicit in his crucifixion. And as long as us minions can justify bombing abortion clinics and "liberating" Holy lands in the name of Jesus, it has nothing to do with Jesus. The Enemy sounds a LOT like Jesus. Make a snap judgement (expediency actually) and you are doing The Enemy's work. And right now his ways are winning in spades and in many ways. And that does not stop at the church doors.

    Now to the second half of your take. Political parties are not a part of anything...ever. All they are is an attempt to gain power via an alliance with similar and synergistic people and resources. And as long as it has a message that works with enough of the masses (those damn minion types), it can get an effective money laundering system up and running. And the Dems and Pubs have some VERY well built systems. Good for them, sucks for us minion types.

    And so, to call someone who is "a Republican" a "conservative" is like calling a football player a Sunday school teacher. They may decide to teach Sunday school between practices and games, but to attach the two is just plain silly. It is merely a proclamation of the mentally lazy using righteousness as their method of choice to justify their laziness. Not that righteously lazy thoughts are not found in the Pub minion types, but are all we doing is counting heads on each side to determine, via raw numbers, which side is less lazy/stupid because being ranked 130th out of 140 is WAY damn better than being ranked 131st like "that side" is? That is the talk of the majority of the FSU football faithful. And a few Gator fans who peruse the forums.

    Nothing wrong with your take...as long as you recognize that giving us the Reader's Digest version of the truth can also be a sign of a minion who is fully indoctrinated in pointing out the other side's faults while not recognizing the faults in theirs. I just thought you may want to know this...unless you are too busy cheering "We aren't 131st, we aren't 131st!" and then I will leave you to your own devices.
     
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  16. QGator2414

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    Roe should have never happened. It should have been rectified 9-0. But we unfortunately have justices who wrongly legislated from the bench.
     
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  17. jjgator55

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    You may have a point. There is nothing in the Christian Bible that speaks against abortion, so being against abortion isn’t a Christian belief, it’s church doctrine. So since being opposed to abortion isn’t a Christian belief then there isn’t an attempt to establish Christianity as a state religion, just white evangelical church doctrine.
     
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  18. jjgator55

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    Jesus was a woke liberal.
     
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  19. tegator80

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    Um no, woke is a silly and nonsensical modern idea. It justifies things like gay marriage (I did not say gays can't be in a committed relationship, just not married) and turning boys into girls and vice versa. It is patently absurd and damn dangerous, both to individuals and the societies they are a part of and supposedly rely upon to give them what they desire.

    What Jesus DID do was to tear down institutionalized dogma and said that all people are precious in God's eyes and not just those who proclaim (or were given) a privileged status. He also said love is good, hate is bad.

    Are you proclaiming the Wokies aren't driven by hate? At least the hate of the word "no"? They aren't at least imagining a righteous taking over the SCOTUS by eliminating those judges who have beliefs that are different from theirs?

    Or to use a grand mantra (although it is never used): Free speech is fine...as long as what you are saying fits into my idea of righteousness.

    Yep, Jesus was "one of those".:rolleyes:
     
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  20. QGator2414

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    Do you really believe that only Christians see the moral wrong in killing the most innocent?

    ***btw…there are plenty of people who claim to be Christian and support the ability to legally kill the most innocent for convenience via abortion (our president and the speaker of the house being two)***