Berkeley Prof tangles with Sen Hawley, calls him trans phobic

So basically, you would only refer to them as their preferred gender to their face while misgendering them behind their back?

 

To my knowledge I wasnt addressing a trangendered person asking to be addressed a certain way. I was giving my personal conviction. I have now said 4 or 5 times in this thread alone that I will address them as they wish.

 

So yes, a biological women can have a baby. Thanks for confirming.

 

Salty . . . nice!
But to be fair, you accused people on the left of playing word games and then referred to "word salad." I was just trying to figure out what you meant.

 

What is happening, though, is some people are taking the word "man" (or "woman") and making it mean something that has value to them. Ok, no problem. Let's recognize the terms as subjective and malleable. When people do that, why would they expect others to agree with them on the new/personal meanings? If we're going to respect a subjective identification of "men" and "women," then it stands to reason that included in said subjective identification is a recognition that some will use the terms for synonyms for the sex terms of males and females.

You can't capture a term, change the meaning of it, or express that it means something different to you than it means to others, and then turn around and get upset that people don't agree with you on the meaning of the term. That's irrational.

It should only be considered demeaning if the accepted definitions of the terms are shared. Otherwise, they would necessarily be referring to different concepts.

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Nope. Never said that.

I consider them a woman, but would just call them what they wish. You can see the difference. You just want the fight.

The coworker that I mentioned has always been a he to me in every mention public or private, even though they were born with lady bits

 

You wrote "i will use the pronouns they wish" while not doing so. You seem to be changing that to i will use the pronouns they wish, but only to their face.

 

He was saying we were playing word games. We are the ones that are using traditional words. This recent change in terminology comes from one side. That is the point. He knows that.

You really can't accuse the side that chooses the age old terminology as the ones 0laying word games.

 

Going back to your first post, you used the pronoun "her" to refer to a trans man, which isn't going to be the preferred pronoun for that person, in a post saying that you would use their preferred pronouns.

 

How are you defining "men" and "women"?

 

I understand your intent, however the reality is that for some of the programs we have listed, they are either for women or men/open. You need to absolutely define who is eligible (what is a man / woman ). you cannot avoid putting people into either one of those 2 boxes, unless of course you get rid of the boxes and don't have separate programs for man / woman.
The other point i would make is we spent over 40 years trying to get personal life/sex out of the work place. I myself and HR continually discussed what was appropriate or inappropriate to discuss. I really have no interest in which of the 70+ genders a person identifies as. In a one on one personal discussion, i can see people exchanging that info. I'm not a fan of intentionally referring to someone who requests to be called he a she as i can see respecting someone's wishes, however i don't see the point of blanket announcements of one's identity

 

Exactly, and if we put people in the boxes we want to put them in, instead of the boxes they should be in, problems arise. Hence the need to be careful about how we are defining the boxes so they fit reality.

 

It could almost be considered a war on science...

 

Thanks for asking; I typically use the terms synonymously with male/female. The terms "man" and "woman" as distinct from their sex term counterparts lack congruency for me to get any kind of utility out of said deviations, but I'm always interested to hear new ideas or hear how other people use the terms. In a practical sense, my observations are that those "transitioning to man" are attempting to portray themselves as biological males; those "transitioning to woman" are attempting to portray themselves as biological females. I'm not talking about what it means to them, but what the outward expression comes off as to me.

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They can basically do whatever they want. Conservatives just don't want them teaching a twisted form of reality to kids, conservatives don't want to pay for their treatment, and conservatives think it's wrong to be expected to treat delusion as reality.

If they want to get psychiatric care, gender "affirming" care, if they want to dress up like women even if they were born men and have their friends treat them like women... have at it. It's a beautiful part of America.

But you should not force complete strangers, and the government should not treat fiction as reality. And the current mainstream transgender movement is not just asking to live and let live, they are expecting you, your children, and the government to treat fiction as reality. Then, if you deny it, you're a transphobe... you're a bigot... and you should lose your job and your livelihood.

It's the most popular form of bullying from the left. Play the victim, call anyone who disagrees with you racist/bigoted/homophobic/transphobic, ruin their livelihoods if they have the nerve to say men are men and women are women.

 

Was anyone here claiming biological women can't have babies?

 

I said I CONSIDER them a women...but will call them what they wish.

In hypothetical moments like this thread, I will use the term I consider correct because no actual person is involved.

This is another example of how full compliance must happen. I am not permitted to both consider one thing but show compassion and tolerance that goes against what I consider true.

I have to fully accept, mold, change... or else... right?

 

In the US the idea that sex and gender are separate things and not always binary started to show up in the 70s. But the push for accepting pronouns didn't really get moving until the mid-2010s. For academics on the cutting edges of things, like Dr. Bridges, this has only been a topic of study for the last 5-10 years. The American Psychological Association starting publishing guidance on the topic in 2018, so I would pin that as the starting point for serious discussion around the topic.

 

It's like a racist who doesn't openly express their racism to black people, only to their fellow racists. What's the harm in that?