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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. ncargat1

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    Yes, for infection. Not severe disease.
     
  2. mdgator05

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    So just to avoid being misleading, as I am sure you wouldn't want to be misleading, please rank order the point estimates in terms of overall protection against Omicron: previous infection with no vaccine, vaccine with no previous infection, and vaccine with previous infection.
     
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  3. gator95

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    I posted data and made a statement. You questioned said statement. I proved you wrong. Just apologize and move on. Easy as that.
     
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  4. mdgator05

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    Actually, you were still wrong, because there are no statistically significant differences (as clearly shown by your graphs). So apologize to the board for posting wrong information and then we can all move on. We are waiting.

    Then maybe you can answer my question. Which we know you won't because it blows up your narrative.
     
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  5. gator95

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    I get it, you never admit you were wrong. That's the best part about this. You got called out. Simple as that. Sucks for you. Take the L sport.
     
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  6. mdgator05

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    There is the tell of you being wrong. The funny part is remember when you mocked me after I admitted I was wrong about Elon Musk. And then it turned out I wasn't wrong (you, of course, never admitted to being wrong in the end). Meanwhile, you argued for pages that Covid wasn't a disease. So that is a more accurate description of you than me.

    So let me ask you straight up: is there a statistically significant difference between natural immunity at more than 12 months or the vaccine at more than 1 month? If the answer is no, you are wrong and should take your L.
     
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  7. gator95

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    You were wrong on lockdowns, school closures, masks, transgender swimmers and too many other things to bring up. I stated a fact, you lied and said i was wrong. I proved i was right. You are now trying to change the argument because you got called out. Sucks for you. Big L! Swing and a miss! Too funny with you. Keep digging that hole sport. Almost to china!
     
  8. mdgator05

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    Yep, here is the next phase of your tell: stating people's opinions are factually wrong. It is an old and boring game with you. You tried to claim that there was a difference that was not there. Take your L and move on. But we know you will just deflect and project to avoid being embarrassed by your lack of knowledge about basic statistics again on this thread. So enjoy that.

    In summary, you tried to claim that natural immunity over 12 months was more effective than a vaccine over 1 month. However, as clearly stated in the paper, the estimated are not different in a manner that is statistically significant. Now you are just kicking and screaming to avoid being wrong. Have fun with that, but I'm out.
     
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  9. gator95

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    Good try sport. What i stated was correct. Sucks for you. Now back to trying to deflect that you were in favor of lockdowns and school closures LOL. I get it, you look foolish. Oh well, some things never change.
     
  10. duchen

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    PCR rest? Or antigen? PCR tests pick up dead virus and such. So, you can test positive for a long time On those tests. The antigen tests test for live proteins and are better to use as time goes on. Are got symptom free? No fever? Check out the CDC guidelines.
     
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  11. duchen

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    B4 and B5 moot most of these studies.
     
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  12. flgator2

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    Dr. Malone Warns of Immune Imprinting After Fauci Floats Second Booster Shots (theepochtimes.com)

    Researchers with Imperial College London and the United Kingdom Health Security Agency found that people who received three doses of a COVID-19 vaccine and were infected with the Wuhan strain had a lower level of protection against later strains when compared to people who had not been infected. Other groups, including researchers with the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, have found the vaccines much less effective against Omicron subvariants than the Wuhan strain.

    A number of studies have found negative effectiveness among vaccinated groups. That means those who get vaccinated are more likely to get infected.

    But Malone is among the scientists who are challenging the idea that the old vaccines are the solution.

    “You got a major problem with the new Omicron, that’s the BA.5. The people that are getting infected chronically and hospitalized and dying are predominantly the vaccinated. It’s happening all over the world,” Malone said. “Now they’ve got a problem because they have driven this because of immune imprinting. This is increasingly becoming a vaccine-driven disease.”
     
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  13. gator95

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    You have no idea if that's true or not.
     
  14. duchen

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    The early studies now show this. Lots of repeat infections and infections of vaxxed and boosted now. And, antibody studies show a dramatically lesser reaction to B4 and B5 now, whether prior infection, vaxxed or both.
     
  15. mdgator05

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    As a reminder, there was no statistically significant difference when you claimed there was a difference. That makes your claim incorrect. But I also know that you are in your arguing about Covid not being a disease mode and that there is no use further discussing things with you when you get in this mode. I just felt the need to point out that you made a false claim that the study showed something that the study explicitly and correctly stated that it did not show for those who didn't feel like clicking through to the study.
     
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  16. coleg

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    When you utilize Epoch for medical info, you've already proved incompetence. SIgh
     
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  17. flgator2

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    Look I don't think any article that I would post would ever get through that thick skull of yours, sigh
     
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  18. gator95

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    So you admit I was right. Thanks. I know that’s about as best as you’ll get without actually admitting it. It’s awful way of saying I’m right but it’s the best you can do. I get it, the facts I posted are the facts. Oops. Swing and a miss!
     
  19. duchen

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  20. coleg

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    Probably not until you actually read some adult-level nonfiction. SMH