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Florida will be short over 9,000 teachers this fall.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by jjgator55, Jul 6, 2022.

  1. WESGATORS

    WESGATORS Moderator VIP Member

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    Is it fair to ask if these are reasonable responses from teachers? We see this in the medical profession with HIPAA. A lack of understanding of the rules leads to an over-protective shell out of fear of liability. Some of these strike me as panic-mode responses.

    Who says you can't talk about historical inequities? This is what FL's HB7 says about equity (under what cannot be compelled/promoted):

    Why would you get pushback from talking about Black History Month? I don't see either of these things as problems for individual teachers. What laws would they possibly be violating? Are the teachers getting this pressure from their districts or are they coming up with this on their own? Perhaps from their unions?

    Another reason to solicit for feedback is to see where legislative interpretations fall when it comes to material that is being presented.

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  2. tjenkins78

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    My Republican friends swear that racism is long gone and that blacks can drink from the same waterfountain and have all the same equalities across the board. I swear.

    Can a resident Republican tell me the day racism ended? We should probably mark that day as a day of celebration, no?
     
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  3. swampbabe

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    The biggest issue is that there has been no real explanation/guidelines from the state about the implementation of this legislation. I teach AP US Government and Politics and you can bet I’m concerned about this.
     
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  4. tampagtr

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    And many say it's continued, only it's reversed, and that they are the victims
     
  5. tjenkins78

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    They also feed me that same BS...white males are under attack. Yeah, you are struggling so bad with the porshe and beach house. I hope you make it fella.
     
  6. tampagtr

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    As much as I appreciate the implied compliment to my profession that litigation is not too great a burden, I think I've answered this question before to the best of my ability, and I don't find your suggested solutions very persuasive as appropriate for teachers to follow.

    Don't say gay bill
     
  7. WESGATORS

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    What solutions are you referring to?

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  8. tampagtr

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    My post included an anecdotes about teachers putting together lessons on potentially sensitive topics:

    Another reason to solicit for feedback is to see where legislative interpretations fall when it comes to material that is being presented.

    I think it's naïve to question why teachers would be frightened as to the content of the presentation on Black history month given what I've already cited to, which will likely only get worse as the implementing regulations, which is what will actually cover beyond the authorizing legislation, is developed, given that we already seen the input of Hillsdale
     
  9. Gatoragman

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    Just read this entire thread and a couple things are very obvious.
    1. the resident teachers in this thread do not like taking any advice and do not want to be questioned in what they are doing.
    2. when it comes to education, you parents need to home school or shut the hell up and let only the professionals deal with what's taught.
    3. Teachers are underpaid, although entry level pays average higher than average staring pay.
    4. Based on a 40 hr work week, 2 weeks' vacation the average non teacher hourly worker works 2000 hrs in a year less paid holiday. Let's say typical you get 8 paid holidays, 64 hrs, Teacher: 8 hr day 5 days a week. 8 weeks off in summer 1 week Thanksgiving, 2 weeks Christmas, not to mention any other days throughout the year. Doing the math, a teacher works 11 weeks less than average worker or 440 hours per year. All that to say, annual salary higher than average is a lot higher when you actually take in the amount of time off.
    5. Most teachers who do Band, coach, etc. get an extra stipend for taking those responsibilities.

    I think for the most part teachers are under appreciated and have a very difficult responsibility. My degree is in education, and I determined during my intern teacher semester that I was heading in a different profession.
    There are definite issues, but it takes all 3 legs of that stool, and all 3 legs contributing and if 1 leg is not open to discussing how to improve then the stool falls
     
  10. gatordavisl

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    So sad to read what's going on in certain geo and online communities. It helps explain the teacher shortage. This quote from the article was interesting . . .

    “This stuff isn’t going to change at this point until there’s body bags,” one member wrote. “Straight to the woodchipper for them,” another replied.

    “[Heck with] a woodchipper,” another wrote in response. “If some teacher did that to my kid, I’m going to go straight to them and literally beat them to an inch of their life.”

    But then things escalated.

    And of course they are making these threats based upon false claims. :confused:
     
  11. back2back2006

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    California, Illinois and NY City will take them all in to indoctrinate the little kids into mental disorders.
     
  12. gatordavisl

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    Teachers are being accused of grooming and pedophilia, in addition to a bevy of nonsense about crt. They are receiving threatening phone calls and social media posts. Addresses are being published in radical right forums. Admins are being doxxed. Do you doubt this? Why are you asking whether the teachers' responses are reasonable? And again with the unions, WES. C'mon man.
     
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  13. tampagtr

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    Yep. Reminds me of the experience a lot of female journalists, especially those that are active on Twitter, will report.
    They get threatening communications referencing their home address and their children's names. They are told that almost none of those online threats ever turn into action, just someone venting steam, and that they are almost certainly safe. But that's easy to say when you're not the individual who's gotten a hostile communication referencing the name of your children andyour home address.
     
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  14. swampbabe

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    Your first point is nonsense, the rest is spot on. Where do you get the idea that I don’t want any “advice?”

    One poster made a claim that there is very little communication between parents and schools/teachers. This is patently untrue and I outlined the SEVERAL different ways that we communicate with parents at all three levels; classroom, individual school, and district.

    I teach an Advanced Placement course with very specific curriculum guidelines drafted by experts in the field. It is my responsibility to make sure that the content is covered and to do everything in my power to help students succeed and quite frankly, I’m good at it.

    If any parent decides that they don’t like the way I covered the Civil Rights movement, the election process, or any anything else they now have the ability to make my life a living hell.
     
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  15. tampagtr

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    NEA is KKK with summers off (not true for NEA staff. Interesting

     
  16. Gatoragman

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    My apologies, should have said it as "most" of the resident educators.
    I firmly believe you are one that in a face to face with most of us "MAGA" folks, as some here like to call anyone who doesn't believe as they do, we both would find a lot more common ground then what some of these threads pose as our positions. I'm sure you are a fine teacher and take what you do seriously and do the best job you are capable of doing. If you go back and read the thread though, I think you may agree with my first response on "most" of the educators that have posted
     
  17. swampbabe

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    To be fair, I’m the only classroom teacher on this board, so….
     
  18. Gatoragman

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    Imagine that!! Some posters on this purporting to be someone or something they are not! Anyhow if you are the only classroom teacher posting then I rescind what I originally wrote about advice.
     
  19. gatordavisl

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    @Emmitto - I think teaches HS science in VA.
     
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  20. swampbabe

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    Yep, you’re right. My bad
     
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