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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, Jul 7, 2022.

  1. tjenkins78

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    Look at my original post...what's it say?
     
  2. 92gator

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    uh huh...

    I repeat myself: Joe Biden is every bit as much y'all's god, as Trump is ours.

    (Which is to say nil, if I must spell it out for you--and since you're a freshmen, I'll grant that extra little step).

    As @Gatoragman said, Trump was useful. We liked his policies and results...many of us didn't care for his Tweets, and several other aspects of him...(meanwhile, y'all couldn't see past your nose for the shear core deep hatred for the guy....).

    Now, can we move on from the EX-POTUS, and perhaps share a thought or two about the late EX Japanese PM?

    At least in this thread anyway....
     
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  3. sierragator

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    When all you have to contribute is " Let's go Brandon" it is obvious there is zero capacity for rational thought. Keep spewing your drivel.
     
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  4. 92gator

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    LOL!

    You, talking about rational thought in a thread where you've lost your freak'n marbles over Trump, in throws of an incredibly random TDS spasm... LMAO!

    BTW, again...

    What in the Sam Hill does 1942 or anything leading up to say 2016, have @ all to do with Trump?

    Go:
     
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  5. dingyibvs

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    China's hate for Shinzo Abe isn't just for his policies, it goes back generations. The Abe family's political fortunes started with his grandfather Nobusuke Kishi, who ruled over the Chinese territory of Manchuko before and during WWII. He "recruited" ~1 million Chinese slaves to work for him each year during his 15 year reign and was known for his harsh treatment of the Chinese slaves. For example, in one mine of 40,000 workers, there was a mortality rate of 25,000 per year. He was also one of the cosigners of the declaration of war on the United States.

    After the war, he was jailed for 3 years as a class A war criminal, but was not only freed but eventually made the Prime Minister of Japan because the US needed his help to make Japan a stalwart against the Communists. Needless to say, had he been executed as a war criminal, Shinzo Abe's political prospects would've been much dimmer. From the Chinese perspective, Abe's political career is the result of an unpunished crime against China, and that he appears unrepentant by paying yearly visits to a shrine where many Japanese war criminals are buried (Japan's version of Arlington allows convicted war criminals to be interred there).
     
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  6. Gatoragman

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    If you are going to try and contribute, can you at least read all the posts leading up to that one?
    "Let's Go Brandon" fits anytime but if you read the discussion, it is most appropriate here!!
     
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  7. danmanne65

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    I think if you take a global view things are on an upward trend. Russian aggression may level it out some but the global “poor” are getting wealthier. I think capitalism and democracy are the cause but who knows.
     
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  8. tampagtr

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    I have read about visiting Yasukuni. Looked it up again. Abe obviously played to that nut others have as well. Obviously I repeat my asked him about feeling like you can authoritatively opine upon another jurisdiction's political system. Japanese war crimes, especially towards China but also towards other nations, did not get much near as much emphasis as they would have had the Holocaust not understandably garnered the focus
    The next year, his successor Fukuda Takeo visited as a private individual yet signed the visitors' book as prime minister. Several other Japanese prime ministers have visited the shrine since 1979: Masayoshi Ohira in 1979; Zenko Suzuki in 1980, 1981 and 1982; Yasuhiro Nakasone in 1983 and 1985 (on the latter occasion, he offered flowers which had been paid for with government money); Kiichi Miyazawa in 1992, which visit was kept secret until 1996 (he had paid a visit in 1980 before becoming Prime Minister); Ryutaro Hashimoto in 1996; and Junichiro Koizumi, who visited six times (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2006). Visits by Japanese prime ministers to the shrine have resulted in official condemnation by neighbouring countries since 1985, as they see it as an attempt to legitimize Japan's past militarism.

    Visits to the shrine are also controversial in the domestic debate over the proper role of religion in Japanese government. Some Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) politicians insist that visits are protected by the constitutional right to freedom of religion and that it is appropriate for legislators to pay their respects to those fallen in war. However, proposals for the construction of a secular memorial, so that those wishing to honor Japan's military dead do not have to visit Yasukuni, have thus far failed, ostensibly for technical details rather than the rejection of a secular memorial. The Japanese government conducts yearly memorial services to commemorate the War in Budokan ("Martial Arts Hall", a secular building) which is near Yasukuni shrine, so that the attendees can later visit Yasukuni Shrine privately if they so wish. The shrine itself objects to any proposal that a non-religious memorial be built, stating that "Yasukuni Shrine must be the one and only memorial for Japan's military dead." Koizumi has claimed that his visits are to ensure that there will be no further wars involving Japan, causing some to interpret them as an act of remembrance rather than reverence.[citation needed]

    On his first visit to Japan since leaving office in February 2003, former South Korean President Kim Dae Jung openly criticised Japanese politicians' visits to the shrine, and proposed that the 14 Class A war criminals be moved to a different location. He said, "If that option is realized, I will not express opposition to visits to Yasukuni Shrine (by Koizumi or other Japanese leaders)". Kim noted that Koizumi promised at a meeting in Shanghai in 2001 to consider building a new memorial facility that could replace Yasukuni Shrine and enable anyone to worship there without hesitation.

    The government of the People's Republic of China has been the most vocal critic of the shrine and some Japanese observers have suggested that the issue of Yasukuni Shrine is just as heavily tied to China's internal politics as it is to the historical conduct of Japan's military and the perceived degree of its remorse for its actions. They state that tolerance on the part of Chinese Communist Party authorities for large-scale public protests in mainland China against the shrine contrasts strongly with the authority exercised against any kind of domestic political dissent.[36]



    Controversies surrounding Yasukuni Shrine - Wikipedia
     
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  9. gatormike51

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    No basis at all. Just wondering.
     
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  10. reboundgtr

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    And yet Trump is still taking advantage of your free rent policy. Thanks for staying on point. Nice succinct Trump rant. Bravo.
     
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  11. flgator2

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    Lol, I always have my big boy pants on, glad to see that you came out of hiding
     
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  12. uftaipan

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    Believe it or not, that name change was not all about sounding less aggressive. Before the DoD was organized post-WW2, there were two coequal military departments, Navy and War (Army), and their mandate to cooperate was pretty informal. With the establishment of an independent Air Force, DoD was established to bring all of the services under a single Secretary of Defense, versus just their own service secretaries reporting directly to the President. We like to think of Defense being a successor enterprise to War, but really Defense was a new thing, and War just got renamed to Department of the Army.

    Just some off-topic trivia. Very sad day for Japan.
     
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  13. tampagtr

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    I'm roughly familiar with all that, although not to the extent that you are. I was just being a little bit cheeky. But it was also about sounding less aggressive.

    One of my favorite little snarky exercises with those who claim to be strict constructionists is to say that the Air Force is unconstitutional, because the Constitution talks about the ability to fund an Army and a Navy, no Air Force. They end up making their distinction about what logically follows, which is fair. But it usually throws them a little bit off, because they like to imagine that the literal text is sufficient.

    I'm occasionally reading a poorly written book now about HMS Glorious and I didn't realize that on early British carriers, the air wing was not under the command of the ship commander; it was separately under an RAF officer. Great recipe
     
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    Oops we just got Germany and Japan back together
     
  15. PITBOSS

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    Is Cult Leader ok for trump? Mango Mussolini? Orange Julius? Dear Leader? Losing candidate in 2020 election?
     
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  16. 92gator

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    Lol! Another spontaneous TDS spasm...

    :D:p:D

    Get help yall. Geeezzz... :monkey:
     
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  17. sierragator

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    More bleating from a maga sheep
     
  18. mutz87

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    My wife and I were talking about Abe. She said there's a Japanese expression that has come up in light of his killing called "heiwa boke" meaning "peace complacency" or "peace senility" (or as she said "peace dementia"). I mention this bc the head of the Nara Police took responsibility for failing to keep Abe safe, but according to here many Japanese believe that heiwa boke is at least partly the reason.
     
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  19. citygator

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    Seems like a rando crazy did the killing. US doesn’t have a monopoly on rando crazies.
     
  20. tampagtr

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    Very expansive consideration of his impact from China Talk. He truly was impactful, in a way that seems generally positive

    How Shinzo Abe Reshaped Japan
     
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