Shooting in Highland Park, Illinois. Near July 4th parade. 6 deaths..

lol@this. If this guy had been at a Biden rally there would be none of this excuse making. He's a Trumpy MAGA domestic terrorist, he probably attended one of the Trump rallies some of the MAGA members on here attended. Good to know you guys were in good company.

 

Good grief. The guy is literally wrapping himself in Trump flags and going to MAGA rallies. How do you make the leap to “he’s one of yours, own it”. At best his ideology seems confused. As I said there are groups in the MAGA movement that aren’t really left or right according to any rational sense. The online incels fall into this category. The accelerationists fall into this category. The QANON conspiracy types fall into this category. They just want to destroy and troll, basically. But as they are all MAGA that’s who gets to “own” it.

Even the martyr of 1/6, Ashley Babbit, was supposedly an Obama voter. The online bullshit put her in Trumps camp and cost her life. Do you think she actually switched from “liberal” to “conservative” in terms of actually coherent political thought? Most Americans are too stupid or too brainwashed by team politics at this point to put forth any sort of analysis, or even articulate what liberalism or conservatism means.

 

I do not want to get in between the back and forth here, but....and, I am not saying this makes it right, acceptable, ok, etc..... there is more motivating each of these police encounters than we are discussing (at least in this thread). The human nature of the officers and their pre-disposed behaviors towards high stress situations come in to play here in a big way.

What do I mean??

• If you fire on the police, which apparently happened in the Akron case, and then invite a retaliation by the police by attempting to flee, I expect the police to behave much more violently towards you in return. It may not be right, it may not even be legal, but it is not inconsistent with human nature.
• In Illinois, the POS fired on a crowd of people, but not directly at the police. I expect that the police would behave more in control and less driven by adrenaline and emotion (unless a victim was a spouse or child of a responding officer) and would hold themselves with more intellectual control than had one of their own been specifically targeted.

The above are not justifications for anything, but I can understand why things happen. The Akron officers now need to stand up and be prepared for the consequences of their actions, however. The Akron police department needs to make sure that full review is conducted.

I am not sure Trump, Antifa or even racism played as much of a role here as human nature and psychology. However, that is too mundane to discuss for CNN and FOX headlines, so it must be political motivation and hate.

Just my uneducated $0.02.

 

I respect a lot of the posters here but this thread has made me sick!!!
Oh, he is a Maga, No he is one of yours you own him. I'm quite sure the families knowing he was a MAGA type or libby type. will really help them deal with their loss.
All complete bull$hit.
Can we at least agree that anyone who can be motivated to commit these acts of violence are just mental nutjobs that need some help????
Can we at least get some facts before we point a finger at one side or the other?
Can we not find out if the weapon was obtained legally or not?
If obtained legally, how do we stop that? Banning certain weapons will not do it!
Were there red flags about this nutjob? Who missed them? Why? Can we address that and put something in place that will actually reduce these nutjobs from obtaining weapons?
Running to your corner and pointing fingers is nearly as disgusting as pulling the trigger yourself.

 

Excellent use of technology to fight crime, but where did they get they get the shooter's DNA in the first place, for comparison?

DNA obtained from a rifle at the scene of the Highland Park parade shooting played a “vital role” in identifying the suspect, according to Christopher Covelli, a spokesman for the Lake County Major Crime Task Force.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives conducted a “rapid trace” of DNA taken from a rifle found at the scene. Police named Robert Crimo III as a “person of interest” shortly after the shooting and arrested him Monday evening after a manhunt.

A representative for ATF declined to comment Tuesday.

According to the bureau’s website, ATF’s forensic laboratories “analyze trace materials found at crime scenes to generate leads, identify possible suspects and help solve investigations.” Among the specialists at ATF who conduct these analyses are “chemists, biologists, engineers, fingerprint specialists, firearm and toolmark examiners and document analysts.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/07/05/highland-park-parade-shooting-live-updates/

 

That would be great, ‘cept only one side of the isle is gun crazy.

Still, I agree that the real issue at hand is not the “blame game” or to deflect. It’s to solve this problem. This was yet another “legally acquired” gun. So how do these freak shows with online presence keep “legally obtaining” these rifles?

 

He might smear some skin cells on his rifle? I thought that the second I read thad he left it behind, that it could be useful (even if he theoretically wore gloves or didn’t leave prints there was possibility of DNA or a trace of the gun itself).

I figured an area like this would also have tons of cameras, so once they figured where the shots came from they wouldn’t take long to get an image of him.

 

But not 300+ so far this year.....probably not in the entire history of Denmark outside of wartime.

Nope, guns don't kill people, but people with guns - as opposed to, say, knives - certainly do. So, instead of deflecting to a largely peaceful country, why not address the insanity of our gun laws? Had there been a thorough background check done on the Highland Park shooter, for example, he would never been allowed to purchase any weapon, much less an assault rifle.

 

Purple haired flaming punker who mocked Trumpers, disdained jan 6 rioters, liked a bunch of lefty csuses, and had his Twitter n igram accounts gratuitously, conveniently scrubbed, might be a lot of things, but MAGA would not appear to be one of them.

 

The shit went instantly political.

This is the world we live in.

Every POS is a political hot potato, and every disaster something to be blamed on the opposing side.

C'est la vie.

 

He left the rifle. They were immediately able to determine who bought it through the serial number. (Like most states, Illinois keeps a record of who buys what.)

 

Probably not significant but there a couple of social media posts showing the shooter expressing apparent admiration for the former president.

Highland Park shooting person of interest left online trail of violent imagery

 

He’s an obvious MAGA domestic terrorist, the MAGA rubes can get mad if they want to, but it’s the truth. Own it.

 

link please

 

Scroll one post up.

(...and further up thread...).

 

Great post. The simple minded want nothing more than to score points for “their” side instead of asking the hard questions and working in harder answers.

I believe I saw an article yesterday that mentioned the shooter was infact known to local police. Whether they have a file on him or knew he was a nut job I don’t know but I suspect the answer is yea, they knew he was a nut job.
Red flag laws work. They work here in Florida. Sure they have some tricky points that need to be navigated but that’s not all that difficult.
Move the legal age to buy a gun to 24 unless military service ( and no dishonorable discharge).
Institute red flag laws

 

The challenge with red flag laws is that they rely on someone actually reporting the person, and people not making malicious reports.

You could take one look at a picture of this guy and know he’s nuttier than a squirrel turd (even if you had no knowledge that he has previously posted a YouTube video alluding to a school shooting or a weird coded “manifesto” consisting of a bunch of numbers), yet you’ve got family members getting interviewed saying they never saw any signs that he was off.

If no one is going to report their relatives in the first place, red flag laws won’t ever amount to much other than folks going through nasty divorces getting their guns taken away.

 

Mostly joking observation:

Maybe we ought to just make people with face tattoos or fluorescent hair prohibited persons for gun ownership. If we aren’t actually going to adjudicate people as mentally defective or involuntarily commit them so that the existing mental health prohibition works, those probably aren’t terrible stand-ins for determining that someone is severely mentally unstable.

 

Well said.

I'd add, we overestimate the coherence of people's political beliefs, especially younger people. This varies of course, but with this guy, I see a lot of confusion, as as with Babbit, if you look at her history, you see her falling prey to q, like quite a few others have, which isn't as explainable w/a traditional left/right paradigm.