10 year old rape victim can't get abortion in Ohio

Couldn’t happen in Texas. Abbott answered this scenario months ago by saying they were going to end rape in Texas. Knowing Abbott and his mindset, he may have meant they were going to remove the concept of consent

 

Rare but not impossible according to my wife.

 

Do you love everything about the country right now? No complaints at all, just pure, unconditional love?

 

There is no perfect country only a perfect GOD and that’s where my love is.

 

Posting quickly because this all hurts my head....

I've read on this. THIS is the reason a lot of rape victims don't speak out or report. I didn't- didn't want my name out there, didn't want to be dragged through the mud, wanted to just heal.

So some don't believe it because they gave her a fake name? SHE'S 10! You want her real name out there? To be revictimized?

Some thoughtful comments in varying threads included:

Girls can't have a period that early.
If she's old enough to bleed she's old enough to breed.
She should see it as a gift.
Well too bad but abortion is evil.
Was she raped or did she ask for it?
Obviously her parents got her pregnant to make prolifers look bad.

Etc

Yes. Girls as young as 8 can get a regular period. The youngest successful delivery was by a 5 year old girl via C section. I got mine at 10. My sister at 9.

Talk to pediatric nurses - they see this all the time. So just because YOU don't hear it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

The reason you don't want this to be true is because it proves you wrong. To you only evil loose women want abortion on demand.

WRONG. There are abused girls, teens who's boyfriends won't put condoms on, wives whose husbands flat out tell them they're getting them pregnant, etc.

But I guess you're right. A raped 10 year old should absolutely look at being raped and impregnated as a gift from God.

 

With Roe, no one dictates whether one has an abortion. If you don’t agree with it, don’t have one, easy..

 

As to the "how do they know the exact date...must be fake".

I can tell you the EXACT date I conceived my son. I can tell you the EXACT date I was raped. On top of that ultrasounds between imaging and using patient's last menstrual period can ABSOLUTELY get that specific. This isn't the 1800s where a woman could hide infidelity or something by claiming "oh baby is early".

The reason she was able to do this is because Indiana still had the rights for it. But they're fixing to pass an Ohio type law. So other girls & women won't be so lucky.

You have ZERO idea what a pregnancy does to a woman let alone a little girl. Some youngest patients get literally ripped appart and bleed out or need emergency hysterectomies.

Hope this helps some of you.

 

Most pro lifers even are sympathetic to this situation. Its easy to write laws protecting the extremes like this' a baby developed without vital organs and the health of the mother.

It is less than 5% that fall into these categories. Make the exceptions. This ends using abortion as an afterthought of carelessness in many cases but protects those who are indeed victims or health compromised.

 

Opportunists gotta opportune.

 

No one here has defended it have they?

 

I would agree if you had suggested that some of the outrage is misplaced/exaggerated, but how on earth is highlighting this case a matter of opportunism?

 

Oh good ...the ol' only white men are Christians/conservatives comment that always finds its way into these discussions but ignores the millions of woman and minorities that are also pro-life.

Perhaps the oversimplifying of this matter on both sides is part of the problem.

There are pro choice Christians.
There are atheist Pro-lifers.

 

South Dakota Governor, where all abortions are now banned, feels bad for the raped 10 year old but says the “the law is the law” and “every life is precious”….. Sicko.



Cant get the video link to work but it’s in CNN…

 

Once again the issue is that too many don't bother to think about consequences. About the laws they pass or allow to kick in, some from pre 1910.

And congrats you're okay with exceptions. That would help in this case. What constitutes rape to you? What qualifies? Is it just her saying she's raped or do you want a *laugh out loud* conviction? What about wives that are forcibly bred by their husbands? Girls that get drugged?

What constitutes medical emergency? Cancer? Internal bleeding? Tube rupture that leads to infertility? Heart attack? Stroke? Is it within 24 hours or within months?

See the problem is DOCTORS...not politicians, not prolifers, etc, in conjunction with their PATIENTS are the ones to make that choice.

And as a reminder...to folks like you the only way for a woman to have rights to bodily autonomy is to have her rights violated in the first place. And that's not okay.

Look at all the case laws that DONT have a rape or incest or health exception.

More importantly, and I can't stress this enough. Forced births are a violation of basic human rights.

Let me repeat that, especially on this 4th where so many are beating their chests chanting "USA! USA!".

Forced births are a violation of basic human rights.

 

I think using a very rare tragic story to try and decry the overall cause and view of the pro-life movement is indeed oportunism.

This terrible event should be a reason to refine laws that both protect children and women who are victims of this evil crime, while still having a society that honors and protects the general sanctity of unborn human life.

And I 100% believe it happens both ways.
(ie: people who want 16 year old girls charged with murder)

THIS tragic case is 100% being seized (by some) as an opportunity to frame pro life pov's as inhumane. This girl will live with this tragedy long after her political "fighters" have long forgotten she exists.

(And that goes for any pro-lifer that seeks such gain from tragedy).

 

I always appreciate your reasoned responses on this subject Ice, but forced births is a misnomer.

You support them too under certain time periods and situations (viability etc)

We all support forced births in reality. Its just some have different time schedules.

As to your good questions, I think a doctors word is enough to validate a rape/health issue. If a doctor has a abnormal amount of abortions under their care then look deeper, but as a general rule allowances per a doctors order are a good start.

My sister's doctor recommended she abort her now perfectly healthy 13 year old fwiw, so thats another side to this coin.

 

Actually, my view on viability is for elective abortions. 5 months is plenty and pretty much all elective abortions happen before that deadline. After that because they're viable get can get induced and put it up for adoption. So never said force them all the way through. And I never said viability for rape, incest, health of mother, etc - those shouldn't have a limit at all, nor should the doctor be looking over their shoulder to see if the cops are coming.

Abortion quotas? Seriously? So doctors who specialize in emergencies and get these all the time...what? "Sorry I've filled my quota nearest emergency OB is 100 miles away so good luck?".

So what would you call it when a woman gets pregnant and is told no she can't terminate the pregnancy? That unless she's in danger she needs to deliver that baby? If that's not forced birth then what do you call it?

 

As a reminder my mother was being wheeled in for a hysterectomy for cancerous tumors when they found me and encouraged her to abort. She didn't. Here I am. So yes I'm from THAT side of the coin.

Here's the very important part that seems to be lost.

It.
Was.
Her.
Choice.

 

Sadly, this is not a one-off case. From the CDC, nationwide, about 0.4% of all abortions are in children under the age of 15, (about 1,500 hundred children). With respect to rape-related pregnancy, the numbers are high:

• Almost 3 million women in the U.S. experienced rape-related pregnancy (RRP) during their lifetime.
• The prevalence of RRP was similar across racial and ethnic groups (i.e., Hispanic, White non-Hispanic, Black non-Hispanic, and other non-Hispanic).
• About 18 million women have experienced vaginal rape in their lifetime. Women who were raped by a current or former intimate partner were more likely to report RRP (26%) compared to those raped by an acquaintance (5.2%) or a stranger (6.9%).
• Of women who were raped by an intimate partner, 30% experienced a form of reproductive coercion by the same partner. Specifically, about 20% reported that their partner had tried to get them pregnant when they did not want to or tried to stop them from using birth control. About 23% reported their partner refused to use a condom.
• Women raped by an intimate partner who reported RRP were significantly more likely to have experienced reproductive coercion compared to women who were raped by an intimate partner but did not become pregnant.

Women who are forced into a pregnancy should absolutely have the choice to end it. A woman should not be victimized twice. Period.

 

So you agree that the event is tragic and wrong, but when others share that sentiment, they are being opportunistic. Got it.