Supreme Court rules for coach whose prayers on football field raised questions about church-state se

What on earth is your point?

 

Speaking of praying and giving thanks on the field, when will someone blame Jesus for a bad game?

 

We are Muslims and Jews. We needed the Supreme Court to side with coach's Christian prayer. (yahoo.com)

But such a "compromise" might put adherents of both Judaism and Islam in Kennedy's dilemma. Both faiths require adherents to pray during certain times of the day. Thus, an observant Jewish or Muslim staff member may feel religiously obligated to pray at a game, or while riding on the bus during a field trip. Under the 9th Circuit’s view, reciting such prayers would be unconstitutional. If that rule were allowed to stand, an observant Jew or Muslim would face pressure to either abandon his faith or his chosen profession.

To be sure, there are cases where a school might violate the First Amendment, such as a teacher penalizing students for refusing to recite Christian prayers. We agree that government entities may not coerce citizens into practicing the government's preferred faith. But in this case, the 9th Circuit went further and decided the establishment clause prohibits some personal religious conduct that is visible to students. The opinion does not provide a clear limiting principle, and its holding could prohibit all or nearly all personal religious conduct.

While obviously the adherents of these different minority religious groups are not homogenous, a little different perspective. Personally, the fact that students felt they would suffer repercussions and/or felt pressure to participate (as it would impact playing time) is very concerning and seems to be dismissed by the SC.

On a somewhat related note, I recall sometime in the 1990s right before practice I was praying with two other guys who share my faith and one of the coaches from the football team saw us and yelled in earshot of pretty much everyone, "hey, none of that gay crap, you keep that stuff at home." That same coach would also lead other players in prayer after practice.

What I'm getting at is that while this was 25 or so years ago, and hopefully people are a lot more cultured nowadays, those who do not share the religious perspective of the majority, generally speaking, do not get the same privilege to be so public with their prayers.

 

The other team prays too, you know. Jesus can't please everybody all the time!

 

In truth, the notion that this is about student-led prayer is the straw man that proves the point.

Christianity is on the decline. Fewer and fewer students have any interest in forming prayer circles at school. Fewer still would ever think of exacting any kind of social retribution on their fellow students for choosing not to join in.

Faced with these changes, the folks pushing pro-establishment policies hope to use force to restore what they've lost. As if threatening playing time on a school football team will create a glorious new generation of fervent believers.

It's transparent. But more than that, it's desperate. And it won't work. Pathetic relics feebly lashing out at a world that has left them behind is a tale as old as time. As is the inevitability of their failure.

 

Mutz. He would have to punish them or exclude them for this to be illegal. Him praying and being joined is not a violation regardless of how a kid "felt". If thats all it takes than every expression can be shot down by a mere feeling.

As long as every kid is treated fairly, this is a non issue and SCOTUS got it right. If evidence is found that he discriminated than he should pay for that.

 

Constitutional rights? Do tell.

 

well, he could, but..

 

You really hate people of faith dont you.

 

What do you think the number one use of JC’s name is?

“Jesus Christ! How about something other than another dive play Adazio?”

 

Would you like me make partisan political rants in my classroom under the protection of the first amendment or nah?

 

A lot of companies have prayer. People of faith own businesses ya know.

 

Like it? No. Is it your right? Of course it is.

 

That is a lame sidestep. Old. Tired. Played out.

You are intolerant of what you disagree with, just like everyone else.

You prove my point with that same tired quote every time you use it and I cant believe you dont see it

 

I hate that people of faith want to force me and others like me to treat their delusions like they are real.

 

You used a pic of Tebow praying on his own vs a pic of a coach praying with a group.

I showed you that it happens at UF... Coach, Tebow, group all praying after a game. No one says a peep because it isnt a problem.

 

Excuses for ones bigotry is still bigotry.

 

Celtics fans did all the time

 

Do you get the difference? Private companies can do pretty much what they want. Public schools cannot.

 

Bigotry? Thats an interesting take.