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Roe v Wade Overturned

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorGrowl, Jun 24, 2022.

  1. dynogator

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    Well, it was rhetorical.

    And this is sarcasm: "Integrity," is the first word that comes to mind when thinking about the Supreme Court.
     
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  2. akaijenkins1

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    Was coming to, in fairness to Cornyn, post this same thing.

    But hot damn what a carelessly worded tweet



    That said, you can’t say that just because we’ve had to create amendments to correct our past wrongs that any or all of these corrections are subject to that same fate.
     
  3. RIP

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    That's what I figured he meant.
     
  4. gator_lawyer

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    Well, they said the quiet part out loud:

    Miller: President Trump… I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the Supreme Court yesterday
     
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  5. OklahomaGator

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    Seems like a good idea to me, get proper prenatal care.
     
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  6. gator_lawyer

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    Pro-lifers don't like complexity. At 17 weeks my placenta detached and he was much too small. I thought I felt my baby's frantic attempts to breathe. My OBGYN advised me to terminate the pregnancy, there wasn't much time. But I couldn't.

    Every doctor told me it would only get worse. And it did get. But I already loved him. I'd waited 8 years for him. They saw on the Ultrasound that his umbilical cord was yards long.
    An umbilical cord spinning out a lifeline helplessly. He'd stopped growing. But his heart continued to beat even as his movements - frantic at first when the oxygen cut off, slowed, and he became horribly still. I hated the doctors who couldn't save him.

    An infection spread from the placenta to him. I began to understand, to believe them - that I would die too. I felt that we were dying. But selfishly I waited for more tests, and more tests, dozens of them.

    In a natural world without medical science, fluid tests, ultrasounds, in a world like the one God may have intended we would have died without the nightmare of knowing beforehand. But we are in this world. When my fever rose my family insisted. I was a mother already.
    My child needed me. My family arranged with New York Presbyterian Hospital for us to fly to Kansas because I was now in my 24th week and he would not have filled my palm.

    I dreamt of being filled with ice, and death. His organs were shutting down so there was no amniotic fluid. He was in a dry and poison uterus, suffocating. I was panicked by the thought of his suffering.

    We arrived in Kansas - an arid place I had only imagined through "The Wizard of Oz". I was delirious, things were getting worse.

    The doctor in Kansas was kind, but sad. He carried a shotgun because he'd once been shot in both arms. Our taxi driver slowed to a crawl and rolled all the windows down as we arrived at the clinic. I didn't know why. My son was in the car with us.

    I hadn't realized we were coming to one of those places from TV with angry people outside. They brandished signs cruelly displaying the bodies of tiny fetuses. Pumping the signs up and down and shouting.

    They saw my son in the car and began shouting at him, "Your mother is killing her baby!". A nurse pushed through to shield us and guide us into the clinic. A psychologist spoke to my son. The process took a week. There is no such thing as "partial birth".

    I held his tiny body. We had a private service with a minister. He was like a bird in my hands. My son. I had never felt so empty. A trickle of blood ran out of his nose and I wiped it. Back in NYC some too observant people in my building knew. My milk had come in.

    The mail carrier who delivered his ashes to me knew, and I could see she wanted me to know that she disapproved. I saw she also felt sorry, but like she was supposed to despise me. We'd always gotten along. I closed the door and held the box under my robe and sobbed on the floor

    "Don't worry, he just forgot something. He has to go back to get it, then he'll come back." my son was wise. I felt so much sadness. 15 months later I had a baby.

    I was nursing him in the glider, and the song "Frankie and Johnnie", was playing. I picked up the NYTimes. On the front page I saw that the doctor from Kansas had been killed while ushering in church.

    Murdered by a man who traveled miles to kill the baby killer, hunting him down on a Sunday morning. People think of abortion as ending life, but it saves women's lives, mothers' lives. There is life today because of Dr Tiller. Where there would have been only emptiness and death.

    #RoeVWade #AbortionRightsAreHumanRights #WomensRights #SCOTUS There is a complexity in the decisions a woman makes when the situation is impossible to fix. Women should be treated like humans.
     
  7. slocala

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    She was trying to fly away with those bat wings at the end. Cringy.
     
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  8. citygator

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    Some math and biology lessons by AOC to Texas Gov Abbot.

     
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  9. flgator2

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    And just like that everybody knows what a woman is again
     
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  10. philnotfil

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    Absolutely heartbreaking.

    My wife and I went through something similar with what would have been our fourth child. Very much changed my opinion on how available abortion should be. A doctor wouldn't do a medical procedure he disagreed with and we spent a terrifying week and a half hoping and praying she wouldn't die, that ended in a horrifying experience with blood all over our bathroom floor.
     
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  11. gogator7444

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    For those cheering...privacy has also gone out the window for your medical records. Nurses in Texas receiving emails of what to watch for and any listed conditions need to be reported to the State within 3 days. No consent to release records needed.

    Lisa on TikTok

    That's the video but if you Google it, it shows up on the Texas website.

    That means anyone's medical records for any reason no longer have the right to privacy. So employers could look at your records and base hiring decisions on diseases. Folks with HIV could have their condition found out & affect jobs, relationships, etc.

    The ones clamoring that their vaccination status was no one's business because of their privacy? That's gone.

    Huge movement among travel nurses to refuse contracts to Texas and other states over this. So good luck with the nursing shortage.
     
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  12. gogator7444

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    As to the whole "exceptions of rape" thing...

    A woman in Louisiana was raped at 16. Her rapist wasn't investigated. Got pregnant. Judge ordered HER to pay the rapist child support. The daughter was raped by the rapist (her father), and again cops didn't follow up, she kept girl from visitation, judge turned full custody over to the RAPIST of their DAUGHTER he'd raped too.

    THIS is the system some of you want women to trust to give them aid to fall under the "rape" category? She's been fighting this FOR YEARS!. NOW that the news got it out & it went viral worldwide the judge unsealed everything and the DA admits they messed up.
     
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  13. gogator7444

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    Thank you. Slower than expected but it is what it is.
     
  14. FutureGatorMom

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    Some thoughts ...

    What is it about the radical right? They just can't stay out of other people's bedrooms and bodies. Our laws are not based on your religious views. Otherwise we'd be Afghanistan.

    If it's "God's will" a woman has a baby, then ED is "God's will". Deal with it.


    I wrote to the WH asking to fight fire with fire and possibly look at a "Women's or Human Rights amendment" to the constitution that will protect both women and LGBTQ population. I didn't suggest this, but the wording of the 2nd amendment is a little too vague. We should come up with one that is more clear and repeal the old one. But I digress...

    Oh, and I won't be celebrating the 4th of July this year. What country does this to its people?
     
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    I don’t understand the states rights justification.

    It’s taking away an individual right and giving it to the state, whether the state is pro or anti abortion.

    That is a reduction of a right, regardless.

    And for those without means, it’s semantics.

    Imagine turning Brown v Board cases back to the states with a whole list of states legalizing segregated schools, and saying, “don’t those Libs get that it hasn’t been legalized?”.
     
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    About sums up how I feel

     
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  17. DoubleDown11

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    One story like this (which I also have personal experience with) should be all that it takes to simply say "maybe I don't understand everything about reproductive health and shouldn't treat it like a freaking football game where I want my team to win".
     
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  18. FutureGatorMom

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    She is awesome, who is she??
     
  19. OklahomaGator

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    HIPPA is a federal law on the privacy of medical records. The State of Texas cannot supercede federal law.
     
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  20. FutureGatorMom

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    Hey @Orange_and_Bluke Up yours with a rubber hose!
     
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