Roe v Wade Overturned

At least this

is more honest than this

 

I suppose that’s why they’re called opinions. Unfortunately their opinions aren’t opinions, they’re bad jokes.

 

Bumper-sticker worthy.

 

I won't speak to the 2nd Amendment ruling but to a person regarding Roe at their confirmation hearings these justices declared Roe "settled law," "reaffirmed super-precedent."

It doesn't seem very principled to diverge from these declarations now that they have strength in numbers. The text hasn't changed, no. But their principles regarding precedent certainly has. Or the very declaration itself at confirmation was unprincipled to begin with. The video is on page 14 of this thread.

 

my point was we got a gun control bill in 2 weeks. Why can’t we get a federal abortion bill in 2 weeks ? Just seems like a reasonable answer Vs scorched earth burn it down

 

Which nominee called it super precedent? I think the only justice who had that term used in their hearing was Barrett, who said that Roe was not “super-precedent” because it has always been subject to calls to overrule it.

Kavanaugh described it as reaffirmed precedent, and explained that there is an established framework and a high bar for considering whether settled precedent should be overruled.

 

1. SCOTUS is not a democratic institution.
2. If it were opposite public opinion, it shouldn’t be too difficult to legalize abortion then, which this decision allows.

 

I'll grant you that on Barrett, she is the one duck here that came in quacking (which makes sense given that she's also by far the LEAST qualified of all the ducks to sit on that bench).

But if a reaffirmed precedent isn't a super-precedent I don't know what is, Kavanaugh literally used the words "precedent on precedent." I dispute Barrett's contention that a super-precedent can't be reached simply due to challenges. On the contrary, a rule that's withstood such repeated challenges throughout the years proves such qualification (otherwise we could simply lob toothless volleys at things so they never reach such status).

Then again, these people build careers on finding ways to wring curious meanings out of dated words (in the case of Thomas, wringing meaning out of his own!)

But let's get away from semantics -- you mentioned the principle of these judges and the answer to your comment lies in their statements on Roe at confirmation versus now. Barrett is the ONLY one of these folks who is defendable in that regard.

 

Every judge and every senator knows damn well what those answers mean (“I’m not going to tell you anything”) because every judge gives the same answer.

Although if you want to also call out Sotomayor for describing Heller as “settled precedent” in her hearings and then promptly joining Breyer’s dissent in McDonald saying Heller was wrongly decided and the Court should take the opportunity to overrule it, have at it.

 

The right thing if one considers allowing the state to intervene in what should be considered personal decisions. Some of us think that personal autonomy matters, other do not think so, including five justices of the Supreme Court, three of which were nominated by Trump. One justice (Roberts), at least for now, would allow states to restrict but not effectively eliminate the right of women to bodily autonomy as would the other five justices in the majority.

 

And here I thought you would understand what I said. Seems this place has become more toxic than ever.

 

None of them are above reproach. Though there are distinct differences between McDonald and Heller that may have lead Sotomayor to dissent, and Heller was not nearly as tested as Roe when Sotomayor dissented as pertains to "affirmed precedent."

And I said from the beginning I was not commenting on the 2nd amendment, which is an altogether separate issue from Roe, we could create an entire thread that solely sets out to define what constitutes "arms" then and now and how and why the 2nd is among the least sturdy of the originalist amendments.

Your knowledge of the court is impressive. I have to humble myself here as my knowledge is topical, purely from curiosity but I appreciate hashing this out.

 

Current each state will have their own abortion laws.

 

It's because they can see they are losing their power on government to drive their Marxist/Socialist agenda so they are lashing out and I am sure liberal cities will burn tonight just like they did in the summer of love.

 

It doesn’t take a god-like figure to know that discriminating against others is wrong. Especially discriminating against people for aspects about them that they have no control over.

You want to believe that “everyone does it”, so you don’t have to address the hate that makes you say, the things you say...

 

You reference “extreme liberals” controlling the Democratic Party. This suggests there are non-extreme liberals you might approve of. Would you mind explaining who these extremists are and why you think Biden is one. Actually, I’d like to know which liberals you don’t think are extreme.

Secondly, you reference “making America great again”, i.e., MAGA. This suggests there came a time when it went from great to not great. When was that? Under Reagan, Clinton, Bush? If you say Obama, I’ll know you lack political acumen and have just adopted the extreme right’s talking points. By the way, don’t you think the MAGA movement has a strong racial animus?

 

You realize that you are looking to expand government here, right?

 

Maybe this was mentioned and discussed elsewhere, but while I strongly disagree with today's decision, it’s not the end of the world. It’s not difficult to prevent pregnancy. The problem is when a woman wants to get pregnant then suffers life threatening complications to her or the fetus, or both. This problem is why I lament the decision. It’s barbaric, actually.

 

It’s clearly over your head. You seek argument instead of understanding.
You and many people here are filled with hate. You take advantage of my honesty and twist it to make yourself appear superior.
I can’t imagine how our two parties will ever find common ground.
Goodbye.

 

After reading this thread we need a blank you emoji.