Why Are Police So Bad at Their Jobs?

I'd say the point is for government monopoly on violence that is required for a functioning government. It breaks down when/if a state's forces don't act justly.

So, to me the point is clear but the implementation broken and in need of repair

 

Yes.

 

They are underpaid. There is no incentive to risk their lives for 40-60K a year. Governments have to be willing to pay police not only a higher salary (close to 6 figures to start), but they must also allow them to get a percentage (in cash or crypto) of the seized property of criminals that they apprehend. This will eliminate the level of corruption that permeates every police force in this nation. If police know that by arresting a drug dealer, they will be compensated for what they seize (in the sale of his cars, jewelry, and of course cash), the criminal element will not be able to flip law enforcement over to the other side. I say compensate the police more, and demand more accountability from them. As salaries skyrocket for police, more people will want to take that risk. With a larger pool of candidates, any police officer with a slew of complaints will be subjected to automatic dismissal, and be barred for several years from seeking a law enforcement job.

With greater screening in the selection, the overall cultural complexion of law enforcement will change. Law enforcement must be required to reside within the geographic neighborhood in which they work if they are uniformed. Obviously, undercover detectives would not be under such a restriction because of the nature of their deployment. By assigning police to neighborhoods with which they are familiar, there will be greater trust and less of a rush to judgment. The role model of the drug dealer being the one who rose up out of the neighborhood and became "successful" would be replaced by the law-abiding citizen who did who because of his restructured salary, can now afford a nice car, apartment, or condo (which incidentally any law enforcement officer should get tax abatements on to encourage them to be parts of the community),

If we had elected officials with visions and legislation like this, we could turn this violent trend in America around in three years.

 

I know it's easy to poopoo on solutions offered by others, but the bold is a truly terrible idea. That will only incentivize more corrupt behavior and cops depriving people of their constitutional rights.
Cops Use Traffic Stops To Seize Millions From Drivers Never Charged With A Crime
Texas sheriff under investigation for routinely seizing cash from undocumented immigrants
Highway robbery? Texas police seize black motorists' cash, cars
There was $100K in the car when police pulled them over. There was no crime — but they took it.

Have you watched "We Own This City"? You're basically proposing that we legalize some of the criminal behavior those cops were engaging in (robbing criminals).

 

Let me give it a try. This is all over the placer, so apologies


People call the police. Since they have a duty to respond they do. When there are more people, there need to be more police due to more calls. If not, the response time is too long. When you don’t have enough police for the amount of citizens calls, they are prioritized according to importance. Since all calls require action they back up in the system. When you have to worry more about getting back in service rather than completing your investigation the call doesn’t get properly serviced and evidence is lost and clearance rates suffer. I experienced this in January of 1978 as a rookie on Tampa PD. I can’t imagine what it’s like now.

As to defunding or eliminating the police this is usually a small portion of people saying this. Every time, to my knowledge people are given a vote to do either it easily fails to happen. The silent majority speaks at the voting booth.

As to the state of Florida we have an elected sheriff in each county. They are constitutional officers that have the ultimate power to enforce criminal statue. If for instance a municipality or small town with a police force decides to eliminate their department the sheriff in that county takes over policing. For that reason florida will not be without policing. If there becomes a need the county will increase man/womanpower. What I like is only the governor of Florida can fire a sheriff and it has to be due to some type of negligence. Yay for Florida on that.

 

wg,

Of course you know the answer. Just look up the "origin" of police.
"The Pinkerton Agency" ring a bell???

The first "Police" were head bustin thugs, usually felons or convicts, hired by capatalist bosses to stop Union formation in mines, railroads and steel mills.

It ain't changed...............not really............

 

Exactly. That IS the job description. And by that standard, they are very successful. This is a Pogoesque issue. We are the problem, the enemy. Police do the job society demands..

Now there has been excessive protective self interest not directly explained by simply doing the job that society assigned them, but even then, the support they get for enforcing the social order permits them to take liberties in avoiding accountability

 

Police in my part of the country do an excellent job. We have a pro gun society here so criminals know police aren’t the only ones that are willing to take care of situations. Sure there are drug problems but they mostly keep to certain areas because they know better than to go into the nicer neighborhoods. That’s about the best you can hope for.

 

Sounds to me that we should be hiring specialists to handle the good percentage of calls that they're better suited than the police to resolve. But if we tried to advocate for that, we'd get accused of "defunding the police."

 

I think policing is a lot harder now because our general populace does not respect government or public servants anymore. That doesn't surprise me because a common cry in the political discourse during the 40+ years of my adult life has been that government is bad or evil. Now, millions of Americans believe that even if their mother or father is a teacher, policeman, or fireman. Words have meaning and impact and I think these words by many over many years have brought about this lack of respect for our public servants and institutions.

 

You have police handling mundane calls because you need X amount of staffing to handle in progress and other violent crimes. They handle mundane in between, otherwise they are not doing much.
Even then the call loads in huge sections of cities is very low and often driven by traffic and thefts, versus other sections of cities with high levels of disturbance calls, etc.
For small cities, an armed robbery or two can use up every available resource they have. If you cut staffing for intervention specialist types, you lose that ability. In general day and night are different animals.

 

Of course we could look at why, but “cops suck” is the bee liberal mantra and just be maintained. There can’t be other reasons right?
Here is an article on the causes in NYC. Spoiler alert, there are other reasons besides incompetence.
Last Year the NYPD Solved 5 Percent Less Crime. Here’s Why

One thing not listed here is that over time violent crime has become less domestic and more gang related, which is harder to solve too.

 

Exactly. That IS the job description. And by that standard, they are very successful. This is a Pogoesque issue. We are the problem, the enemy. Police do the job society demands.

tampa - And "WHY" are "WE" the problem?
I will answer my own question:

The United States, much like India is culturally stratified, stratification here is defined on many levels: primarily

Wealth / Capital
Race
Education
Trade Skills
Labor

If the United States and the citizens that reside therin share ANY common cultural attributes, it was and is, the desire to accumulate wealth.

The wealthy needed asset and physical safety protection and created what we now refer to as "police".

The only way to keep the "masses" under control is to convince the population (the masses) was that the primary role of the "police" is to enforce, just laws, related to what politicans call an "equal society". (LMAO) All of which is pie in the sky bull-shit. (for the consumption of the masses)

Of course the "REAL" reason is asset protection and the protection of the social order that the rich and powerful created to benefit..........THEMSELVES.

So yes "We" are the enemy because "WE" represent the 98-99% that don't have the assets, capital or influence to capatalize on that sweet capatalist honey that only a few enjoy.

"We" are the termites that must be controlled, manipulated and set to the work tasks to prepetuate those gilded classes that get the honey.

Republicans represent the gilded class in todays politics, Democrats as well, but to a slightly lesser extent.

"We" have been snookered so much that the Citizenry is so zombified by the propoganda, lies, laws and control mechanisms of the powerful that we "FIGHT" amongst OURSELVES for - (To quote my favorite line from Braveheart)

"FIGHTING FOR THE SCRAPS FROM KING LONGSHANKS TABLE".

The Two Party System, the Senate, the Supreme Court, all bought and paid for by the Kings and Queens of Capatalism.

"Take the RED PILL" - (Welcome to THE REAL WORLD).