Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

In what ways is it different?

 

This below is the long version/explanation. In the traditional vaccines you get a shot with a weakened or nearly dead version of the virus and your natural immune system then makes the antibodies to fight the virus from ever effecting you. You are then fully immunized for that particular virus, for a time... usually for at least a year - But in many cases several years. This is not what these Covid-19 vaccines do.

CDC's Definition of 'Vaccine' Has Changed Over Time: 'Protection' vs. 'Immunity'

 

Do you know how effective the Polio vaccine was after two doses?

 

First, no vaccine has ever given full immunity. The term breakthrough case went invented for COVID. It already existed. The most effective vaccine is the one for measles, at about 97% effective from blocking infection.

Second, the old style of finding a suitable vaccine included infecting things like thousands of chicken eggs until a variant was created that if infected, caused an immune response without causing serious illness. And what in a virus, pray tell, causes an immune response? mRNA contained in the viral genome.

The latest batch of vaccines skips the need to wait for years infecting eggs until you get the right variant, and goes directly to the mRNA needed for the immune response. The concept is exactly the same. Only creating the vaccine is faster, and the vaccines are safer. Complications from traditional vaccines include things like a mutation back to a more virulent form of the disease. Rare, but with published cases of this occurring. The mRNA vaccine? That's impossible. There's no virus to mutate. Only the mRNA strand needed to spark the immune system.

 

Florida principal who fought DeSantis over school Covid rules dies from virus

As a school leader, he had said he could not “continue to see my school family mourn our friends and then tell them that he can keep them safe when they come to school”.

“That would certainly be a lie and a slap in the face to the Byrd and Bradwell families [the school employees who had died from Covid] as they grieve and plan memorial services for angels gone too soon,” the principal had said back then.

“With what the Fort Braden School community has already endured, I cannot support a return to brick and mortar school and respectfully call on our state leaders to postpone the return of students to school buildings until such time as it is reasonably safe for all members of our school communities. Our students, staff, and personnel are not a gamble I am willing to take when lives hang in the balance.”

 

Not particularly. I just used it as an example of how we used to immunize people in the past, before mRNA therapies. Maybe I should have used some other contagious disease to make my point. But my point is that we used other means to immunize people before these mRNA therapies were invented, and they worked with far less side-effects.

 

The original Salk vaccine was believed to be between 60% and 70% against infection. More modern polio vaccines are over 90% now.

All vaccines have breakthrough cases. All vaccines contain mRNA. The difference between old and new vaccines is old ones use an attenuated virus. New ones use just the necessary mRNA strand that is found in the same virus.

 

60-70% after two doses. Currently 4 doses are prescribed to get to 90+% protection.

My point is that we talk about other vaccines as if they work differently, better even, but they really aren't. What makes other vaccines so much more effective is that we have near universal coverage. When a third of Americans are actively working against the thing that will save lives, more Americans will needlessly die.

 

Terrible news. That said…thankfully DeSantis did not back down on reopening schools.

 

What makes other vaccinations more effective is they are fighting against diseases that incubate for 10 days to 2 weeks, which gives our bodies long term defenses plenty of time to activate and rally against it - a process that takes around 5 days. Covid activates in 3 days, faster than our long term infection defenses. Same with flu and cold. That’s why we have colds and flu over again, but don’t have measles over and over again.

 

Complications from "long covid"? Not sure I buy that. Not paying to read the article but something doesn't add up.

 

The principal also did not get Covid at school. And neither did the two employees from the article. As schools had not reopened when he got Covid.

It is terrible to hear about anyone dying. Whether it be from Covid or any other disease/accident. I am just glad DeSantis did not take this persons advice to keep schools closed.

 

Also true, but irrelevant to the claims that the covid vaccine isn't really a vaccine.

 

South Africa has seen the light

Ivermectin no longer allowed to treat COVID-19 in South Africa

 

Not sure how many people are still seeking ivermectin for Covid at this point. Tylenol and Ibuprofen will do the trick for the vast majority of people…

 

Polio Vaccine - 90% (98-99% if 3 doses received) -note the polio vaccine does not prevent you from carrying/transmitting the disease.
MMR - 90% against measles, 78% against mumps, 93% against Rubella
DTaP - 80-85% against Diptheria, Protussus and Tetnus.
Shingles - old vaccine = 55% efficacy, Shingrix = 90% efficacy.
Hepatitis A - 90% efficacy, Hepatitis B - 99% efficacy
Flu Vaccine - 40-60% efficacy (note: flu vaccine does not provoke a T-cell response- which is why there is no longterm protection from this vaccine).

Just some numbers for everyone to reference. All numbers are against disease, not infection.

 

No I addressed exactly the contents of your post. While it is true that if more people were Covid vaxed there would be somewhat less spread, but you aren’t going to get the same result as polio MMR etc where the disease is essentially wiped out because Covid is a much faster incubating disease.

 

As to the flu shot and no long term T cell response, I have not heard that. Where did you get that information?

Like Covid the flu is fast incubating and infection manifests faster then memory cells.