Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  2. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
     
  3. uftaipan

    uftaipan GC Hall of Fame

    8,549
    1,985
    1,483
    May 31, 2007
    Fresno, CA
    I actually don’t know much about Russian subs. I do know that our subs have been able to fire precision cruise missiles at land targets since the late 1980s at least. I would assume that the Russians would have developed the same capability by now. But then again we have all made a lot of false assumptions about Russian capabilities lately.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. uftaipan

    uftaipan GC Hall of Fame

    8,549
    1,985
    1,483
    May 31, 2007
    Fresno, CA
    I hope that we would not consider trading away such a huge strategic advantage for a temporary tactical advantage. Ukraine can still export grain by road and rail to other European ports. It’s not ideal but not worth trading away sanctions for. We need to make clear those sanctions remain in place until the day all Russian forces are completely out of Ukraine, including Crimea and Donbas, and a peace treaty with teeth has been signed. Presently, Russia is still on the offensive, so their thinking is why not lift the blockade and physically take the ports weeks or months from now.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  5. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

    13,698
    5,143
    3,208
    Nov 25, 2017
    We also need to figure out how to feed people.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

    30,582
    11,786
    3,693
    Aug 26, 2008
    perhaps we should be planting wheat instead of ethanol and distributing gmo seed to other countries to help them increase their yield?
     
    • Like Like x 2
  7. ATLGATORFAN

    ATLGATORFAN Premium Member

    3,384
    877
    2,153
    Aug 10, 2015
    Just my opinion, but the only reason this is being offered now is the publishing of US anti ship missiles being deployed to the region. That makes the entire Russian Black Sea fleet sitting ducks. Once that capability is in theatre the Russians will back off or risk the sinking of major tonnage. So they might as well try to negotiate for something
     
  8. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    13,174
    1,807
    1,318
    Apr 3, 2007
    Russia's Navy apparently has to rely on spare parts from Chinese household appliances to keep their ships running. I am somewhere between "that is sad" and "that is hilarious".

    Russian Navy relies on Chinese repair parts, sailors refuse battle orders over safety concerns: Ukrainian inte

     
  9. exiledgator

    exiledgator Gruntled

    10,798
    1,825
    3,128
    Jan 5, 2010
    Maine
    Anyone else not having tweets load here? Just a blue bird for me. No tweet.
     
    • Agree Agree x 7
  10. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

    30,582
    11,786
    3,693
    Aug 26, 2008
    I would wager that Russia has satellites and drones looking for deployment or to destroy them in transit prior to deployment. Hopefully Ukraine succesfully utilizes them and conceals them to keep them operational.
     
  11. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

    30,582
    11,786
    3,693
    Aug 26, 2008
    Putin is passing laws to criminally prosecute deserters even without war declaration.

    Russia is losing brainpower rapidly, troops defecting to fight against Russia.

    New Punishments Await Russian Defectors as Putin Grows Alarmed Over Ukraine | World Report | US News

    Russia is considering a new law that would hand 20-year prison sentences to battlefield defectors and others who volunteer to fight for foreign armies – the latest sign of President Vladimir Putin’s growing alarm at the state of his invasion of Ukraine.

    The new bill introduced by leaders in the State Duma – the lower chamber of Russia’s legislature – would add penalties to the existing criminal code for those who participate “in an armed conflict, hostilities or other actions with the use of weapons and military equipment on the territory of a foreign state for purposes contrary to the interests of the Russian Federation,” according to translation of the proposed text. The most grievous violators, including those who contribute to raising a militia that would operate outside Russia or indeed against its military, could face as long as 20 years in prison and fines exceeding 2.5 million rubles, or roughly $40,000.
    ............................
    “Russia has seen significant brain drain over the past three months,” Colin Clarke, senior research fellow at the private intelligence firm The Soufan Center says. “The longer the war drags on, the worse it looks for Putin, and thus, the more he will seek to control the population and the information environment within Russia.” “This could be a sign that the Kremlin is increasingly concerned that the war is becoming ever more unpopular domestically,” Clarke adds.

    Several Kremlin watchers familiar with inner workings in Moscow tell U.S. News the introduction of the bill reflects growing concern among Russian elites of the rates of defectors on the battlefield in Ukraine, along with reports that hundreds are volunteering to join specialized units in the Ukrainian army composed of disaffected Russian citizens.
    ............................................
    But among the most discomforting factors facing the Kremlin is a new, specialized Ukrainian army unit known as the Freedom of Russia Legion composed of Russian defectors. Established weeks after Russia’s invasion on Feb. 24, legion leaders said earlier this month that they receive hundreds of applications to join each day.
     
  12. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    Oh good thought it was just me. Just started happening in the last day or so.
     
  13. exiledgator

    exiledgator Gruntled

    10,798
    1,825
    3,128
    Jan 5, 2010
    Maine
    Same.

    I'm bummed cause your Twitter updates have been my news feed. Thanks for that.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 2
  14. danmann65

    danmann65 All American

    485
    126
    1,898
    May 22, 2015
    Yep do I need to reset my phone or something again?
     
  15. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    I've tried clearing cache, different browser, and restarting. Nothing - just blue bird. I'd think just me but multiple users sounds like GC. Email mods and let them know too.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  16. ValdostaGatorFan

    ValdostaGatorFan GC Hall of Fame

    2,667
    544
    1,998
    Aug 21, 2007
    TitleTown, USA
    It's been like that since I can remember. I usually scroll to the post and hit refresh once or twice and it will show.
     
  17. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

    122,170
    163,014
    116,973
    Apr 3, 2007
    I get that all of the time, usually if I reply to it, the tweet shows up in the reply
     
  18. jhenderson251

    jhenderson251 Premium Member

    3,351
    536
    2,043
    Aug 7, 2008
    Try right-clicking the bird and selecting "Reload"
     
  19. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

    122,170
    163,014
    116,973
    Apr 3, 2007
    I do that first, that works roughly 80% of the time, then I use the "reply" method.
     
  20. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    I'll go back to the cnn copies for now. Don't know what the issue is but if it's multiple people there's got to be a server thing going on.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1