Trey Mann and Scottie Lewis would like to have a word with you. You can insert whatever narrative about Mike White that you want, but the fact is that Mann and Lewis both got drafted last year out of the so-called “crappy offense”. Not every discussion has to center around your dislike of Mike White’s coaching. Can you not just give it a rest for one second? I’m talking about Nembhard’s draft prospects, not about White’s coaching… which as already mentioned was good enough for a first and second round draft pick out of his program last year.
You raised the issue, not me. You said that AN should have stayed to improve his draft chances. Lewis and Mann got drafted in spite of White, not because of him. AN would not have succeeded at UF if he stayed.
I did not raise the issue of coaching. Mann and Lewis got drafted out of UF. Nembhard was not a draft prospect playing 30 min a game on a GU team that reached the NCAA finals. These are the facts.
Nembhard had a good career at Gonzaga but those three years did very little, if anything at all, to improve his NBA stock. The fact is he still has the same limitations he showed at UF which is why Nembhard’s career went completely against plan by staying in college for four seasons.
He needed to improve his outside shooting and quickness. He definitely improved his shooting. @tampajack1 posted the stats. I didn’t watch him play enough this year against speedy guards to opine on whether he’s any quicker than the average defender we saw at UF. But his better shooting alone has helped his draft stock.
He also is showing some solid athleticism at the combine. Second overall in the lane agility drill and sixth in the shuttle run.
Nemhard is a tall guard and is not quick. The high ball screen dribble drive was a TERRIBLE offense for him. His mind/passing are not slow but given our "no motion" offense, he looked worse than he was. Clearly he can run an offense if put in the right position. Can he play in the NBA? Not sure but guess he lasts at least a few years.
He can absolutely play in the NBA. With the right team and personnell around him, he could be a very successful PG in the pros.
you have to bring up his coaching because well he was the coach who insisted slowing the pace when you have guys who could get out and run. I will say it again he threw AN under the bus to me when he went into press conferences and said he didnt think we had the speed to go at a fast pace which AN excelled out with a national team. I am glad that coach is gone and he is another schools coach now. I always liked AN, glad he did well at Gonzaga and will get a chance to make a pro roster.
None of what you said is relevant to the discussion. This isn’t a conversation about coaching, it’s about getting drafted. Nembhard was the unquestioned star at a nationally respected and name brand program. That’s better than being viewed as a role player at Gonzaga. Trey Mann went in the first round and Lewis went second round, both with Mike White as their coach. Whether he was maximizing his capability is up to debate, but that’s not the issue.
Former coach did not recruit kids that fit his system well. For whatever reason, he failed to develop most of those he recruited from HS ranks and those kids transferred out of the program in high numbers. He had some successful recruiting classes in terms of ranking later in tenure with UF, but not consistent like top programs and did not play them them right away like a Calipari. Perhaps greatest downfall was his inability to sign top bigs until this most recent outgoing class. Relied on portal too much to make up for his HS recruiting failures. Now we are into the Golden era. Good first two months to get some bodies to help construct a team. Next year we can compare his first class to former coaches to see if has better success. Evaluation comes later when you assess developmental aspects of program, retention and on court success
Kid got paid (for a 2nd round pick) July 20 updates 8:20 p.m. ET: Rookie guard Andrew Nembhard has agreed to a four-year, $8.6 million deal with the Indiana Pacers, his agents Jaafar Choufani and Todd Ramasar told ESPN's Jonathan Givony. Nembhard will make a guaranteed $6.4 million over his first three years, the most ever for a collegiate second-round pick.
