Carlson, Putin, Et al ...

It seems they seize every opportunity to make something a wedge issue. If Biden is for it, they must oppose it.

 

HaHaHaHa oooooweee HaHaHa

 

i am not advocating for TC in any way. Just presenting an alternative viewpoint. I don’t know of any person who is saying we shouldn’t provide some level of support. I reject the argument think you cannot question spending the entire marine corps budget in yet another war of which we have almost zero strategic value and also not be a ‘supporter of Russia ‘.

 

There is substantial strategic value in raising the cost of militarily taking over countries against the population of that country's desires.

 

If this were his only comment on the matter, then yes - it would at be a point worth considering... For about 10 seconds because there is tremendous strategic value in stopping an oppressive authoritarian nuclear power from breaking rule number one of the international order.

But he pretends that isn't the case - that we can just let whoever roll up into wherever and our interests will be just fine. That's completely untrue.

 

prison of 2 ideas. Sure bleeding the Russians is beneficial, But even that is debatable. As I have said in other threads the Russians have shown completely incapable of conducting any operations farther than 50 miles
from their border. Other than nuclear they are no threat to us. I am also not advocating for TC or attempting to convince anyone to agree with me. My opinion is you can bleed out Russians without spending the entire marine corps budget. seems excessive when considering every country not named China is giving aid.

 

The whole notion “we” are at war with Russia is incredibly dangerous.

To spend $40B fighting a proxy war against the pre-eminent nuclear power in the world is completely reckless.

At least we all know who the true neo-cons are…they’re all now on record.

 

It is not even fully about Russia. By bleeding Russia, you demonstrate that a dictatorship taking over a country against the wishes of that country's people is a costly endeavor without high probability of overall success. That message is not purely for Russia. When China thinks about Taiwan, they will remember this, for example.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. What you are seeing is prevention for future conflicts.

 

The marine corps budget is close to 50 billion a year. It's a silly non sequitur that is wrong. We have spent half the marine corps budget but that is irrelevant. Russia will be weaker for years if not decades because of this I'll conceived invasion. Our nato allies will be expanded and will be spending more on their defense.

 

We aren't at war with Russia. Russia is at war with the Ukraine. We our helping the oppressed.

 

A little history on NATO for the youngsters on Swampgas. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization is an intergovernmental military alliance between 30 member states – 28 European states, the United States, and Canada founded in April 4, 1949. NATO is a system of collective security: its independent member states agree to defend each other against attacks by third parties. It was established during the Cold War in response to the threat posed by the Soviet Union. In the prelude to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, several NATO countries sent ground troops, warships and fighter aircraft to reinforce the alliance's eastern flank. The aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman and its carrier strike group were placed under the command of Naval Striking and Support Forces NATO, marking the first time an entire US carrier group was placed under NATO command since the Cold War. Eight NATO countries—Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania and Slovakia—triggered Article 4 following the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Does anyone notice a trend here? Personally I am glad that we are not allowing Russia to run roughshod through eastern Europe (again). All war is hell (to quote WT Sherman) but ignoring military aggression never ends well. And I would add the USA to that comment with respect to our recent history in foreign wars.

 

Then why don’t we help the oppressed in Africa?

 

Good question. I assume because they aren't white and because the support of Russia isn't so obvious.

But I think we all should say let's help more of the oppressed and not fewer.

 

If you look at the NATO website, NATO does have a role in Africa that includes humanitarian efforts. But by definition NATO is an intergovernmental military alliance (treaty). Primarily protection from aggression by USSR and China (SATO) against sovereign nations. Following the cluster $#%@ in honoring the treaties signed prior and during WWII, it was great idea.

 

over 50 billion authorized so far in 3 months. These numbers are staggering. Don’t know anyone that is a putin fan but yes sending that much money is simply not necessary to accomplish any strategic goal but rah rah. More money on war

The fact that spending more than all of the marine corps budget is no big deal is lunacy.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...-house-passed-40b-aid-for-ukraine?context=amp

 

So you believe that the US and other NATO countries should have followed the model of Neville Chamberlain after Hitler invaded the Sudetenland? Besides being the morally correct policy if Putin was allowed to occupy Ukraine he would not have not stopped there. Moldova and the Baltic states would have been next. Vladimir Putin's ultimate objective is the restoration the Soviet Union/Russian Empire.

 

Which country was it that was paid 1 billion American tax payers dollars to NOT investigate Hunter Biden's role in Burisma. Yeah,


https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Ukraine Report_FINAL.pdf


And then there is this well piece...
Fact check: Joe Biden leveraged Ukraine aid to oust corrupt prosecutor


But this one take the cake... Biden is a POS and so is the president of the Ukraine. This video below is a powerful indictment on Joe Biden...
User Clip: Biden Tells Story of Getting the Ukraine Prosecutor Fired | C-SPAN.org


This is why I do NOT like Biden nor the president of the Ukraine... But I have nothing but respect for the innocent people caught in the war-zone.

 

Not sure what your point is Rick. Are you saying Biden and Ukraine instigated the attack by the Russian army? To what end? The destruction and take over of a sovereign democratic nation by the Russians does not really seem like the best strategy to pursue by Biden or the Ukrainian's. I am not an expert on Hunter Biden. From what I have read Joe Biden as VP was working on rooting out corruption in Ukraine at the behest of the EU if I remember correctly. It was the other guy who was charged with impeachment due to quid pro quo / illegal activities in coercing the Ukrainian government to do his bidding. As a side note, I just finished cyber security training, so I am not likely to be clinking on many links, not that I don't trust you...