Draft Alito opinion leaked overturning Roe

I don’t, but I think it’s naive for anyone to believe the number of abortions will drop if Roe is overturned. It will just make it harder and more dangerous, but not like it was before Roe. Today we have Levonorgestrel to prevent pregnancy, and RU-486 sometimes called an abortion pill. Most abortions are from the pill which are easy to bootleg. Back in the 60’s and before there was underground abortions where there were people who secretly provided transportation, lodging, etc. and today it’s even easier because of the internet.

So no one is going to move as a result, and abortions won’t decrease either.

 

Except you have states where those are illegal along with other contraceptives. Tennessee for example just made it illegal to ship abortion pills by mail to patients in state.

Even an IUD has been equated to homicide.

So yeah especially when even preventing pregnancy is illegal you'll see a shift. My daughter graduates next year and says she won't be looking at openings in those states. She's not even dating but she said "what's next?"

Anecdote I know. Bear in mind much to the chagrin of Gaetz women are more educated now. They make more. Their jobs pay more. So get a few like my daughter together & you're talking nearly 7 figures a year not working, shopping, paying taxes in your state.

Then there's the men who give a darn about their spouses who don't want to put them through homicide investigations for a miscarriage. Also keep in mind a good part of abortions are by married couples that can't afford another baby, aren't ready, or her health is at risk. So they may feel safer in a less restricted state.

 

Yeah, I have been giving a lot of thought to leaving Florida. Hopefully, Ronnie loses the next governor's election.

 

You know I'm not thrilled but I'm okay with Florida's 15 week guideline. That's at least first trimester. And it has exceptions for mother's health - just wish it had rape/incest. And they're not banning birth control. At least it's workable.

Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana & the other full/nearly full bans are too much.

 

I lived in Texas briefly. Now, I would try to avoid even visiting those states. The Fox News branded stores in the Houston airport made me want to gag.

 

Whenever a country moves to take away anyone's rights due to religious beliefs, it reminds me of third world countries like Afghanistan. Taliban anyone? Next up, laws based on the Bible. Women are always the losers.

I'm really toning down my emotions here, I'm so pissed.

 

The Taliban, Iran, etc allow for abortion til 18 weeks.

Edit - and abortion is in the Bible.

 

Apparently Justice Alito has demonstrated that he is not intellectually consistent. He voted with the majority in Citizens United even though nowhere in the Constitution does it provide that monetary campaign contributions are a form of protected free speech.

 

Remember the kerfuffle when Obama dared to upbraid SCOTUS during the SOTU? All the people telling Hillary she was wrong to think Roe would be overturned if Trump was elected?

Well, guess what? As usual, they were both right.

 

Two people make an appointment to meet. When the parties arrive at this appointment one person brings the victim the other person brings the instruments of death. Once the person who administers the instruments of death is done dismembering the victim they clean it all up with a vacuum cleaner. You can spin whatever web of lies you want, but it is plain as day that that is premeditated murder. We all know it. There is no reason to lie about it.

 

So I will ask you the question that most of the Pro-Lifers have been afraid to answer: should you have legal obligation to provide your kidney to somebody in need if the person who needs it will die without it? Is it murder to say no? You have a life that you could save by placing yourself at risk, and the rights of that life outweigh the rights of you to control your organs. So is it murder? Why or why not?

 

They'll say not murder because they shouldn't be forced to do something that could harm them or be forced to undergo a dangerous, expensive medical procedure plus process against their will.

And the even bigger difference? It's not a woman.

 

The anti-choice male contingent and the incels have a strong crossover, methinks.

 

Really wish I could figure out how to link tiktok videos.

A man's video - the gist of it. Men don't realize what this will do to them. You pick up a girl, says she's on the pill, she ends up pregnant. Congratulations you just surrendered anywhere from 10-25% of your income for the next 18-21 years. Good luck if more than once it happens & good luck saving for a car, house, etc.

You find a girl, get married, she has an ectopic pregnancy. You get to watch the love of your life die from rupture.

Your wife gets pregnant, the baby dies in uterus, can't remove it, she has to deliver what's called a "stone baby" which would potentially kill her. Congratulations you just watched your dead baby kill your wife.

Your sister goes to a club, gets drugged, gets raped, ends up pregnant. No one believes her. Congratulations not only was she raped, now she has to carry the baby to term. Unable to cope, she kills herself. Now you've lost your sister.

He said it better. But it is good to see there are men who do stand for a woman's rights, and do understand it's more complicated than just "oh it's wrong".

 

My impression is that you believe that human life begins at conception and that even a day old embryo should be considered a person. If that's the case should the frozen embryos in the containers below be counted as persons for census purposes?

 

I understand that there are scenarios where the life of the mother is in endangered. Those scenarios happen, but abortion mills kill thousands of babies every day in America and those are such a small percentage of abortions.

The scenario I laid out where an appointment is made with the intent to kill a perfectly viable human life is the majority case. You are talking about a tiny tiny percentage of abortions. And in just about every case a premature delivery is almost always safer than an abortion.