Draft Alito opinion leaked overturning Roe

“it’s up to the legislature’s” just transfers your rights to government. It is happening everywhere now. Voting rights. We see government officials defying subpoenas and hints that they retain privileges after they leave office to refuse to speak. Even when they try to overthrow the results of an election. Their lies are tested as process crimes. The true privileges of power that normal people don’t have. And all along the way, cheering from the right. Next we will see Florida’s racially discriminatory legislative maps upheld to more cheering. And lurking of course is the right if government to punish you business for engaging in political speech. Forgive me if I don’t respect your choice to vote GOP. This is Trumpism and the country McConnell want you to have and you are going to get because Hilary Clinton used a private server for her emails and the Russians hacked the DNC and DNCC and released the emails enabled by Russia. Next up is the allowance of state legislatures absolute discretion to take away voting rights from anyone they want.

 

I don’t agree with you. There se are ideologues who believe in the all powerful government. Especially the executive

 

I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. The Court has happily curtailed Biden's authority throughout his term, and many of the big cases this term will involve stripping government's authority to regulate conservative causes.

The only thing these people believe in is advancing their politics.

 

Is It Possible To Hatch Supermarket Eggs?

"However, there are some situations that can result in an egg becoming fertilized: In the case of free-range chickens or other bird species such as ducks or quail, the separation according to gender is not so fast or strict. Occasionally, a male bird will end up where the females are and nature will take its course. This is why you may have heard of fertilized eggs found in supermarkets in the news"
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Didn't say it was common. But does happen.

 

So you don't see any hypocrisy with all these my body my choice folks wanting to take a woman's right to control her own body?

 

Are you right, Duchen? I think so. Will that matter to the Republican ideologues on the Florida Supreme Court? No.

 

No offense to you or your friend, but the female turtle lays the eggs and then swims back to the ocean. To be equivalent, you would tell the turtle to lay in the hot sun of the beach while the embryos form and hatch. Instead of people smashing the eggs, they would be turning over the mommy turtle to bake evenly on both sides in the sun.

 

I am fearful about a loss of the filibuster, as I think it would result in all kinds of cockamamie BS being passed for the sake of immediate “winning”. However, seeing your take, I must admit that I really don’t know for sure what would be the outcome. I would like to think it would have a moderating influence in the long run, but it seems to me the overwhelming political incentives these days are short term with must smaller concern for long term effects.

 

Per the Guttmacher Institute, here are the reasons women say the get abortions:

 

So we take it you won't be going to the clinic to get one yourself?

 

Why Do People Have Abortions?

 

I never considered Alito particularly sharp intellectually, and his writing is formalistic. The draft underscores his shortcomings on the highest court in the land.
Opinion | A close reading of Alito's draft abortion ruling reveals these 8 problems

 

Keep in mind that the Supreme Court signed off on involuntary sterilization in Buck v. Bell. If we have no right to bodily autonomy or privacy, that means the government can forcibly sterilize Trump supporters or Republicans or men who oppose abortions.

That's an interesting question. Considering that most of those people are extremely selfish, "my body my choice" literally means what it says. Their bodies are the only ones that matter.

Rights aren't unlimited. So is it possible a mandate of some sort could pass muster? Yes, I think so. But it would have to survive strict scrutiny because it infringes a fundamental liberty interest. Abortion restrictions should have to do the same.

 

Study shows an abortion ban may lead to a 21% increase in pregnancy-related deaths

 

Well, i thought men could give birth, so maybe I will.

 

Sweet, so you are pro choice. Good to know.

 

I am pro choice until a certain point in the pregnancy.

 

Not surprising. As noted earlier in this thread, women are 14x more likely to die from childbirth than an abortion.

 

You want abortions legal. State your opinion. When is it ok to get an abortion? When isn't it ok?