Draft Alito opinion leaked overturning Roe

There will be no consequences. They didn’t lie. They didn’t perjure themselves. These two Senators knew exactly what was going to happen when this case came to to them and they are covering themselves. Vote GOP and have your rights gutted. This isn’t just about abortion; this opinion as drafted is a major shift in constitutional construction. It is the first time a majority would adopt this restrictive view of the constitution. Don’t like the vaccine? This opinion literally lets government tie got down and inject you against your will. You have no right to privacy in your body. I read what Alito wrote. This majority is using the cover of abortion— where they will have a large body of support— as cover yo take away everyone’s right to privacy and other rights. And people are cheering it. This isn’t political at all. You can’t apply a right to privacy in other contexts if it doesn’t exist. They could do this narrowly, but this draft opinion doesn’t do that.

 

For those celebrating this, all fine and dandy until they come for your rights. And they will.

 

This draft opinion is just the start. As I keep saying, the majority is reshaping Constitutional law by invoking a doctrine never recognized bu the court before. They mocked Hilary Clinton and minimized here when she said this would happen. This is why McConnell and Trump pushed these types of judges. As is typical, people celebrate giving away freedom until it hits them.

 

Where's all the "my body my choice" folks who didn't want masks or vaccines?

And for the record unlike those I'm not a hypocrite. I've said I'm against mandates because "my body my choice" applies to all. I don't get to force my health issues or beliefs on others and neither should someone else.

 

Does he also no longer eat eggs or meat?

 

Sure, there are some small efforts to support these women, but Republican legislators consistently vote against increased pre and post natal care for women, they consistently vote against increased support for single mothers, they consistently vote against increased support for poor families, they consistently vote against increased sex education, they consistently vote against increased access to contraceptives, they consistently vote against the things that decrease abortions. Its almost like they don't really want to decrease abortions.

 

The eggs we eat are not fertilized.

 

Or salads, since plants do have nerve endings/feel pain.

Some animals eat their own eggs, too.

And for the record that's his view & beliefs to have. God Bless. But it's not his right to impose those views on others and force them into his beliefs.

 

The Orlando diocese set up something called Beta house maybe 50 years ago. Birth education training and acceptance. I always thought that this was the way to oppose abortion. Give women and girls in trouble an option. Don't take choices away from them.

 

You know that for a fact? Fertilized eggs are supposed to be better for you. You wouldn't even know early after fertilization.

 

This. All day. If you believe in what you're preaching and can back it up, that may sway girls/women who felt they had no options, or whose issues were more on the "no support" side of things. Offer the alternatives. Truly help them.

Versus taking away their ability to make the choice that's best for them.

 

For those cheering, does that mean putting trackers on women & if they leave the state seeking an abortion, keep them from leaving, arrest them, and handcuff them to a bed in jail until they deliver? Because it wouldn't shock me if that was a next step for some.

As ridiculous as it sounds.

 

My parents were always anti abortion and I would say put your money or time where your mouth is. Give money or time to the beta house. Heck now that us kids have moved out move a pregnant girl or two in so they have a place to sleep and a place to get a nutritious meal. I was told I didn't understand. Lol

 

Wrong. How many folks have bought eggs only to have them hatch at home? It happens.

 

Can you hatch an egg bought from the store?

 

Even with a simple majority threshold in the Senate, it would still be more difficult to enact legislation here than it is in most other first world countries. Trifectas are not common, and even when you have them, that doesn't guarantee you'll get your bills passed. The Republicans could have repealed ACA with 50 votes, but failed.

This is a much more robust safeguard against radical change than most other first world countries, many of which only require a simple majority in a single legislative body to enact sweeping legislation. Yet even in those countries we don't see much radical see-sawing.

I think the threat of losing the filibuster's protections is more bark than bite. If anything, the parties will be forced to moderate when it becomes apparent they actually can pass legislation and have to become accountable for the real world effects of their more extreme ideas.

 

Nothing wrong with mandates under this draft. Where in the constitution is a right to bodily integrity? When we discussed vaccines, I explained in that thread how the individual’s privacy right would be balanced against the public interest as Roe was applied; but of the Alito doctrine becomes law, that is gone.

 

Of course they can. They'll do whatever they want. If GOP leadership says the government should tie you down and inject, that's exactly what this Court will allow. If Republicans are opposed, the Court will say this case doesn't matter and is distinguishable. It's not super complicated.

You can't apply good faith legal reasoning to a Court that has none.