Draft Alito opinion leaked overturning Roe

You're forgetting that these people view women as disposable male property.

 

I personally would be in favor of a female plebiscite on this issue with the single caveat that anyone who publicly discusses this after the results are in is automatically executed.

 

(If Roe is overturned) The needle will move in the direction of abortion restriction some considerable distance, as a result of which U.S. abortion laws will be less like those of China or North Korea and more like those of France or Denmark. The Dobbs case results from a Mississippi abortion law that bans abortion in most cases after 15 weeks of pregnancy; in Norway, the rule is twelve weeks. Progressive Europhilia is highly selective.
Kevin D Williamson

We are supposed to panic because we might move as far right as the Scandinavian socialists?

 

Practically Republicans should propose legislation legalizing abortion up to 8 weeks with the allowance that state law can push it beyond that. That would be incredibly popular, most Republicans would be ok with it, and it would still allow for a red wave in November.

 

So much for the rule of law, you realize it wasn't a final opinion right?

 

I think you are mistaken about both where we are, and where we are going, should this come to pass.

The fevered dreams of the anti-abortion activists are far beyond Scandinavia. Half the states will likely go extremist, the other half will likely continue whatever they are doing now.

 

To be more direct I am confident the actual American public (Dems and Republicans) are much closer to an answer than what the media allows. It’s just a matter of agreeing upon a magic week… whether that is like 12 weeks or 18 isn’t that materially different

The media makes it seem like all Republicans believe no abortions after conception and that all Democrats want to chop the heads off 8 month fetuses.

 

Good try. But wrong.

The other various heartbeat laws around the country (Ga, Texas, Mizzou, etc.) prohibit most abortions after 6 weeks, and overturning Roe completely opens the door to a state like Oklahoma or Arkansas banning abortions completely with no carve out for rape or incest (as Mike Huckabee said on Fox last night). The 15 week timeframe in the MS law is a red herring to test Roe, once Roe is completely jettisoned these will look very different.

 

They passed those restrictions because Roe was still precedent, knowing they would not be challenged given the setup of the court. If Roe is overturned that Mississippi law and others will 100% turn into total bans with few or no exceptions when those states pass new laws and restrictions with the greenlight given. Moreover, lots of states have laws on the books that trigger bans if Roe is overturned. Emboldened by the courts, they will most likely target other things based on similar precedents, like birth control and gay marriage.

 

One of the links I posted shows states have plans to go to 6 weeks or outright ban all abortions. So it would be more restrictive than what you're citing.

 

it is the only question that matters to you

We clearly have different rules for the different contexts of ending human life, and the starting point of what constitutes human life isn’t taken into account.

 

Rape is rape.

 

The precedent that this ruling was based on is from a guy who prosecuted 2 women as witches and believed there was no such thing as marital rape.

 

Except you have to get charges filed & then a conviction to "prove" its rape. If he raped her, or someone they knew did it and he told her not to report it, then it's just her word that it's rape.

This is why illegal except for rape is so hard. There absolutely should be rape/incest/health of the mother clauses but for later, not as an exception to make abortion illegal.

The truth is many, many women are raped and don't report it for a variety of reasons. They have the tight to decide whether to keep it or not without being forced into a trial to prove it.

 

Ok. You clearly dont want yo have a conversation.
"Obnoxiously obtuse"? My opinion on this has been the exact same on this board for almost 20 years.

Protection for a women's health and rape provisions.

The 98% number represents those who willingly CHOSE to have sex.They took a risk, knowing the risks. They still chose to take the risk. Thus CHOICE.

If I chose to not wear a seatbelt and I die, I did not literally choose to die, but I chose the action with an outcome I knew could lead to death.

People do have a choice over their own bodies. If they make certain choices they may have a baby.

 

You keep insisting on the one hand opposing abortion is not about reproductive control, but on the other continually talk about enforcing people's sexual choices through criminalizing (most) abortion. This is why people keep calling you out man.

 

I really don't have an axe to grind on Roe v Wade, but this is easily solved by giving up the baby for adoption. There are a ton of people who want them, even if they have physical problems.

 

Not so easily solved, as it would still force a woman to carry a baby to term, regardless of her wishes. Pregnancy carries potential complications and restrictions, including travel restrictions, consumption restrictions on what you can or cannot eat and drink, and travel restrictions, such as forced bed rest.

 

You might want to take a look at R v. W, and then explain why you're against it:

It (the Supreme Court) also ruled that this right is not absolute and must be balanced against governments' interests in protecting women's health and prenatal life.[4][5] The Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the three trimesters of pregnancy: during the first trimester, governments could not prohibit abortions at all; during the second trimester, governments could require reasonable health regulations; during the third trimester, abortions could be prohibited entirely so long as the laws contained exceptions for cases when they were necessary to save the life or health of the mother.[5] The Court classified the right to choose to have an abortion as "fundamental", which required courts to evaluate challenged abortion laws under the "strict scrutiny" standard, the highest level of judicial review in the United States.[6]