Draft Alito opinion leaked overturning Roe

If the decision is June, people would know before the midterms anyway. If it is a politically calculated leak from a political hack far right justice, it actually makes more sense to leak it earlier and farther away from the midterms to give the issue more time to settle. Or it could be Roberts or a liberal dissenter trying to sway a vote. Or it could just be any female staffer who is genuinely pissed off reading this opinion regardless of who they are working for. Basically, any of these are possible as the source.

 

This actually always baffles me. How do you reconcile that all life is sacred, but that a sacred life created through rape can be excluded from protection granted by the government outlawing abortion?

 

How about this, you could post your thoughts in the thread we already have on the subject

 

So when does a fetus become sentient? My understanding is it's about a year and a half after birth.

 

If the question is when a human life form becomes sentient, then there’s room for abortion.

Regardless, this question is irrelevant for the reasons I mentioned.

 

Indeed, the fetus won’t have protections if we define the fetus as non-living, but that is obviously a big “if” here.

Like you, and the legal system as a whole, my nature is to try solve these dilemmas with consistently applied logic. However, I think that preference may betray us here as we must start our arguments from outside the bounds of logic - ie we can’t define life starting from first principles.

And I’m not defending Alito’s opinion so much as suggesting that, even with you, me, the constitution, the Supreme Court, and Aristotle, we aren’t going to find a universally satisfying solution to this problem. That is what I find attractive about the Libertarian stance I quoted above. It doesn’t try to solve it and instead leaves the issue it up to citizens to consider for themselves.

 

I personally agree but we have centuries of laws going against bodily autonomy. Dozens to this day

 

Babies in the last trimester can respond to external stimuli like music, etc. My daughter would sing to my pregnant belly then the day my son was born he was crying, she sang to him and he turned his head in her direction & stopped he was 4 hours old.

But there are multiple arguments about that too which is why I compromise at viability.

 

It’s the only question that matters. Perhaps I missed it but reasons do you mention?

 

I was thinking the same thing. I would not be surprised if someone with very left-leaning allegiances leaked this. Something like this could turn some close midterm votes, though to what extend there are close contests out there I have no idea.

 

If Roe v Wade is overturned and democratic states continue to provide abortions to women, as they should, it will be another test of the Levitt-Donohue theory on abortion access and crime. If consistent, there will be a rise in crime rates in states that prevent women from having an abortion in approximately 20 years from now. Antiabortion activists, so passionate about life, paradoxically have few plans and little sympathy to help women who do not have the resources to raise children, or to support an unwanted child.

 

Personally I haven't seen anyone go that far. On the other hand I like my idea let the females hash it out. Let them decide about the issue of abortion on demand and whatever constraints they want to put on it. If you could write a law concerning abortion what would it be? Where do you draw the line. I;d be interested to hear the argument from the female perspective both for and against. I'm sure you would get some reactions from males on the site that might have some influence on your thoughts. Such as male wants abortion female does not what rights / responsibilities does the father have if any? Keep in mind in my scenario the only point of view that matters is the point of view from consensus of females only.

 

There are a million theories on the leak. One is that someone from the GOP side wanted to lock in 5 of their justices on the side of approval.

 

Abortion legal through 20-22 weeks. As for the father's rights if they're not married then his rights (just like with child support) start when the baby is born. A woman isn't an incubator.

Married gets trickier obviously but frankly same. Women have a right to control what happens to their bodies. Being forced to just breed against their will is wrong.

Same if he wants an abortion. He can't force her to undergo a medical procedure without her consent.

 

Extremist justices. Who has been compiling the list to judicial appointments and what is their agenda? When I was young and naïve I thought judges were the best of the best. And then reality and politics smacked me in the face
Oh well back to pregaming for cinco de Mayo

 

So the Seinfeld final episode was fiction? I am Shocked.

 

Btw folks handing out pamphlets giving women their "options" -- one of them basically says ectopic pregnancies aren't a reason for abortion, they can be reimplanted, you'll only lose a lot of blood if you rupture so no big deal because they can just give you blood.

Huh??? That's their advice? That something that can kill women isn't really that bad?

Back to this case I'm leaning towards the female staffer angle, or a leak to gage reaction before going through with it.