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Educational hot-button issues aren’t that hot

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by 108, Apr 30, 2022.

  1. 108

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    With the general public..

    These non-issue issues are being brought to the forefront by a vocal minority, with the GOP intent on using them as cultural wedge issues.



    Math textbooks axed for their treatment of race; a viral Twitter account directing ire at LGBTQ teachers; a state law forbidding classroom discussion of sexual identity in younger grades; a board book for babies targeted as "pornographic." Lately it seems there's a new controversy erupting every day over how race, gender or history are tackled in public school classrooms.

    But for most parents, these concerns seem to be far from top of mind. That's according to a new national poll by NPR and Ipsos. By wide margins – and regardless of their political affiliation – parents express satisfaction with their children's schools and what is being taught in them.

    That satisfaction extends to hot-button topics. In the poll, 76% of respondents agree that "my child's school does a good job keeping me informed about the curriculum, including potentially controversial topics." It really is a pretty vocal minority that is hyper-focused on parental rights and decisions around curriculum.

    Just 18% of parents say their child's school taught about gender and sexuality in a way that clashed with their family's values; just 19% say the same about race and racism; and just 14% feel that way about U.S. history.
     
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  2. dadx4

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    The children belong to the parents to raise, not by mentally ill teachers. End of story.
     
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  3. gogator7444

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    Agree with the first part. Characterizing teachers you don't agree with as mentally ill is ridiculous. Especially when liberal parents whose kids are taught by ultra conservatives who tell them they're going to hell or something could just as easily say that, too.

    Views cloud judgement.

    Also by the same token from your statement, leave the teaching to those who ARE teachers & went to college & got the degree, and not the politicians who don't have a clue and all they care about is a vote & not the actual children.
     
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  4. tilly

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    Isn't this just politics as usual though? I mean the city of Charlotte forced a law allowing men to shower with women. Was there really a need for a law that effected so few? Many here saw the law as justified and necessary.

    My point is none of is REALLY use polling as our moral compass.
     
  5. tilly

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    You totally lose a winning argument when you call teachers mentally ill.I married one who agrees with your first part 100% and would be insulted by your second part.
     
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  6. Spurffelbow833

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    The wife and I certainly appreciated it.
     
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  7. GatorNorth

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    Then home school your kid.

    Most (the vast vast majority) of teachers don’t “raise” students (I know this mantra is one of your favorite board slogans), but they can provide significant support and guidance for them in many cases. Just like they did for me back in the 60’s and 70’s. There’s a reason they’re called “teachable moments”.

    Generally classifying teachers as mentally ill because you may not agree with them is a complete insult (and entirely baseless claim) to the many good teachers out there, including my wife’s late mother who taught 2d grade to learning disabled children for decades and was as instrumental in their overall development as their parents were without being either mentally ill or imposing her politics on them.

    The CRT/LGBTQ brouhaha in elementary school is entirely being overstated for political reasons and represents the smallest of tails wagging the largest of dogs. And I get that it’s “woke” blowback, but I can virtually guaranty you that there’s not a public elementary school in the US that actually uses true CRT curriculum, which is used exclusively at the university level. End of story.
     
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  8. tilly

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    She had to be forced to let you in? :D
     
  9. Spurffelbow833

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    No. We are simply law abiding citizens.;)
     
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  10. l_boy

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    These wedge issues are more likely used to rally the voting base than win new voters.
     
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  11. rivergator

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    I wonder if all those who say that stuff is being taught in their schools are correct. A bunch of parents in Austin were convinced that elementary schools were giving homework on furries.

    It's pretty clear, on Too Hot and elsewhere, that lots of people think all kinds of things are being taught in school.
     
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    Of course these issues are being taught. There's like seven or eight Tok tik videos that prove it (green font implied).
     
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    This offers some small hope for humanity to know that there are parents who have not been taken by the fallacious communications regarding public education in the U.S.
     
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    We have a former teammate of my son's that said in their school there are 2 kids (1 in his class) who identify as cats. The family hired a lawyer preemptively and the school has to provide a litter box for them in homeroom and one bathroom. They wear tails and have gloves that look like paws. Sometimes they talk, others they meow.

    My son said when he first heard it he said what the *insert expletive* and laughed. The teammate's mom was just in shock. I just said "wow."

    So....yeah weird stuff happens. Doesn't mean the district is trying to turn all kids into cats, and doesn't mean we need a law saying teachers can't turn kids into cats. :emoji_joy::emoji_joy_cat:
     
  15. mdgator05

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    Yeah, that was false. The same claim was made in a lot of different places (notably, Texas and Nebraska, where a State Legislators had to apologize for spreading the claim). I often wonder how much of this is just students playing pranks on parents and seeing if they can get them to buy it. Unfortunately, then schools end up wasting time on it and people vote on it...

    Claim about litter boxes in New York school is unfounded
     
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    Except we're not in Dansville. So that may be false but there's multiple witnesses to it here. However, it's a smaller school & while shocked most parents shrugged their shoulders & said whatever as long as learning wasn't interrupted.

    Just because parents decide not to Karen about it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. *shrug*
     
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    I'm not really buying that the same joke was started in Texas, Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Danville, NY, and many other places (all false) but that it was actually true there. I am guessing that students may have heard about it and decided to start it as a bit of a prank.

    A more generalized link to the claim:

    PolitiFact - Claim about schools providing litter boxes for students debunked in several states
     
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    I feel like a junk yard dog today.

    Look out ladies I’m in a humping mood.
     
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    I worked with the school system for years. There are absolutely mentally ill teachers. And their are teachers on both sides of the spectrum left and right trying to indoctrinate in different ways.
    In general the school system has swung far left mostly due to two things. Liberal teachers and school boards not wanting to fight against ridiculous parents.
    Schools are asked to provide food, to provide discipline, to provide counseling (something NO teacher should do with out the qualifications), Tom provide morning care and aftercare for students, to provide recreational activities for students… and at some point to educate to basics. Now we ask them to do social justice work as well but everyone only wants their own special brand taught.
    How about this.
    No more of any of it.
    Parents… start parenting and stop hand your kids off and asking the state to donut.
    Feed your kids good meals damn it, make good grades an priority, stop lighting up in the car/house with your 5 year in there with you. Schools start getting back to basics. History.. all of it. Math.. no it’s not racist to teach math. Science .. all of it. Teach evolution as it is a theory. Creationism can be taught in the home or church.
    Reading - Focus on the Greta books from around the world. Age appropriate topics. Not some teacher preference that they want to push. And all of a sudden..
    kids are learning how to read/write,do math and science and the history of the world.
    Girls that want to be boys and boys that want to be girls … no problem. But you compete on the sports team that your sex dictates. Not what your preference is. You use the bathroom that your sex disctates… not what your preference is.
    This is school. Not home. Not a youth center. Not church. Not a retreat. Stop trying to make our education system a catch all for the failures of the parents and society.