DeSantis vs. Disney

It was literally the leaders of your party, including your former President, who were trying to do it.
Opinion: The Republican blueprint to steal the 2024 election - CNN

 

That is just factually incorrect any way you slice it, regardless of how you define "steal the election."

A lot of Republicans didn't "certify" the election results, which I think is ugly, it's bad for the country, I oppose it... but even that isn't necessarily trying to "steal the election." Many chose not to in order to further investigate voter fraud.

But even if you call that "trying to steal the election" there were many Republicans who chose to certify the election results AND opposed the Capitol riots.

 

"From long before Election Day 2020, Trump and Republicans planned to overturn the presidential election by exploiting the Electors and Elections Clauses of the Constitution, the Electoral College, the Electoral Count Act of 1877, and the 12th Amendment, if Trump lost the popular and Electoral College vote.

The cornerstone of the plan was to have the Supreme Court embrace the little known "independent state legislature" doctrine, which, in turn, would pave the way for exploitation of the Electoral College process and the Electoral Count Act, and finally for Vice President Mike Pence to reject enough swing state electoral votes to overturn the election using Pence's ceremonial power under the 12th Amendment and award the presidency to Donald Trump."

"Trump and the Republicans began executing this first stage of their plan months before November 3, by challenging as violative of the independent state legislature doctrine election rules relating to early- and late-voting, extensions of voting days and times, mail-in ballots, and other election law changes that Republicans contended had been unlawfully altered by state officials and state courts in swing states such as Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Michigan."

That's an awful lot of conjecture to the point of conspiracy theory... and an opinion piece from CNN, not big "J" journalism. You dismiss my opinion pieces I share with you. I'll treat yours in kind.

The most plausible explanation for the challenges of the early and late voting extension and mail-in ballots is that Republicans didn't like those election procedures, not because they wanted to usurp counted electoral votes to hand the Presidency to Donald Trump.

EDIT: Judge Luttig deserves a lot more respect than this. I should not have used the words that I used. I had a vague idea of who he was before I posted this, but after further research. I regret using the words I used. I shouldn't have used the words "conspiracy theory." I question his allegation of the events and plans, both past and present, but he deserved more than that.

I'll eat my crow for the language I used.

 

LOL. You should have googled the author of the piece, J. Michael Luttig. Luttig worked as Associate White House Counsel in the Reagan White House, he clerked for Antonin Scalia, he worked in high-level roles for H.W. Bush in DOJ, and then H.W. Bush appointed him to the Fourth Circuit.

While on the Fourth Circuit, Luttig was one of the judges interviewed by Bush for elevation to the Supreme Court, he was the leading conservative feeder judge on the bench (sending 33 of his clerks to Scalia and Thomas alone,), and he was one of the most respected conservative appellate judges in the country. He resigned his seat to become General Counsel at Boeing.

In fact, I bet you've heard of some of Luttig's former law clerks. Here are a few names: Ted Cruz, Alex Azar (Trump's Secretary of HHS), Christopher Wray (Director of the FBI), Noel Francisco (Trump's Solicitor General), and John Eastman (one of the architects of the coup attempt). Basically, the man you're dismissing out of hand and implying to be a conspiracy theorist was a rock star of the conservative legal movement.
CNN.com - Leading conservative judge quits for Boeing job - May 10, 2006

 

"Doesn't mean I have to agree with his opinion."

"I call out BS when I see it."

See Above. I shouldn't have used the words I used.

 

LOL. You really should have googled him before posting. Now, you've got egg on your face. Have a good night.

 

The guy provided conjecture and unsubstantiated claims that Republicans are going to try this again in 2024.

His resume is more than a little impressive, but that can only take you so far.

I will say this, if you take his word as fact, I completely understand not voting Republican. But my Lord, I see a bunch of uncorroborated claims, and I see a lot of unnecessarily negative characterizations of how Republicans reacted.

Even if portions of what he's saying are true, like the Trump Administration trying to get slates of legislators to go Trump's way, they couldn't get a single one. I'm sure a number of them were Republican, many may have even had favorable views of Trump, yet they couldn't get one. That speaks to the institutional power of American systems and its democratic principles, left or right. And this should be universally celebrated.

Then, there's the "phase 3" he mentioned where Pence would reject the votes. He didn't reject the votes. I've read that he counseled Pence into rejecting the votes. How much of that was Pence actually being on the fence about the decision and how much was Pence seeking political cover from a highly respected conservative judge... take your pick...

I googled who he was, the guy has an impressive resume, but that doesn't mean I have to take his word for everything he said. It doesn't change the fact that this article was loaded with speculation, conjecture, and conclusions about Republicans in power, particularly Pence, that are more than a little unfair. He acts like Pence was part of this alleged "coup," yet Pence was the one who all but put the final nail in the coffin on the Trump 2020 campaign. I think we should value what Pence did a Hell of a lot more than what a retired judge said he was going to do, no matter how credentialed or tenured that judge may be.

 

Really I guess my big question is: Who are the legal experts and the Trumpians in power who really attempted this "coup," as in overturning state electors and having Pence reject the votes?

We know Pence didn't reject the votes and we know they couldn't get a single state elector, which tells me this isn't a whole lot of people, provided that this plan even existed.

 

That is what the publicly sourced documents show. For example, The Eastman documents are all out there. This isn’t conjecture. You don’t get to fiat them away by Calling this conjecture.

 

Even on that day, a majority of republicans failed the test. It has clearly gotten worse since then, even many of those that spoke out initially have cowardly flip flopped. Hardly any support the 1/6 commission. Etc.

There are more Republicans trying to steal future elections than there are trying to ensure Democracy survives.

 

Who orchestrated this plan and who specifically is complicit?

It's a gross oversimplification to lump any Republican who refused to certify the election results and any Trump lawyer as part of this plan. So I think it's more than a little relevant to ask just how prevalent and popular this plan was?

It's one thing to allege election fraud and try to procedurally buy some time (refusal to certify the election results). It's quite another to try and get state electors to try and vote contrary to the will of the people.

 

Just how many years do you think is allowable to "buy some time". Sounds silly as there never has been massive electoral fraud in many decades. Pubs (Trump) were searching the entire 4 yr. term but still have nothing. One must ascertain that from this position: "it's more than a little relevant to ask just how prevalent and popular this plan was?", you would vigorously prosecute those that acted on the plan.

 

Wow, Miami Herald pushing a hit piece on DeSantis. Shocked! They make shit up and literally don't care if it's true or not.

 

You may want to click on the link below, directly from Fitch. I know it's complicated and deals with multiple issues and that it's always much easier to attack an article from a source that you do not care for and imply it's fake news.
Florida’s Reedy Creek Dissolution Bill Heightens Bondholder Uncertainty

Rating agency wary as DeSantis signs Disney bill

 

Not a good example. But there is an absolute expectation when granted a license by the state. So applying this bad example…a dentist misrepresents and pushes a false narrative which they are free to do. They can lose their license or have it suspended.

 

Good grief…there is always risk.

 

Oh it's complicated and has multiple issues? Wow, I'm sure DeSantis didn't know that before making the move...

I forgot, where did DeSantis go to school again?