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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. sierragator

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    Russian State TV Comforts Viewers on Nuclear War: 'We All Die Someday'
    unless his delusional ass has convinced himself that somehow he can "win" a nuclear war.....
     
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  2. mdgator05

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    To be fair, you can't analyze their planning from our perspective, where we really care about things like soldier losses. Russian military history is that when all else fails, you just throw bodies at the problem. The problem they might run into with their strategy is whether they can continue to maintain and throw materials at Ukraine.
     
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  3. PITBOSS

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    Fascinating read. Never imagined that type of defense to save your town.
     
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  4. gogator7444

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    From your link...I'm sure the Russian apologists & Putin supporters would welcome such an action.

    "Solovyov also discussed Western artillery deliveries being made to Ukraine on the talk show on Tuesday, and questioned, "What is preventing us from striking the territory of the United Kingdom, targeting those logistical centers where these arms are being loaded?"

    Another guest on the show, Andrey Sidorov, deputy dean of world politics at Moscow State University, replied, "If we decide to strike the U.K., we should rather decide to strike the United States... Final decisions are being made not in London, but in Washington. If we want to hit the real center of the West, then we need to strike Washington.""

    Yes because the decisions to invade, commit war crimes, & try to destroy Ukraine was made by the US and not by Putin. *facepalm*
     
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  5. gogator7444

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    They're creative if nothing else. Gotta admire that, their courage, & their will. Well at least those that admire those things and not things like shooting evacuees as they flee, for example.
     
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    Putin Has a Problem: Could Russia Run Out of Weapons and Ammo?

    I recently heard on a podcast that if this thing drags on Russia May start to run out of ammunition and hardware, partly due to sanctions and nobody really wanting to give or sell them ammo. Meanwhile the west can theoretically keep funneling in stuff for Ukraine.
     
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  8. G8trGr8t

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    Found this part interesting. I have to imagine that US IT has to be going to school on Russian tools and methods. Seems their cybergame may be a mile wide but only an inch deep.


    Budorin says DDoS has been useful for helping Ukrainians contribute to the war effort in other ways than fighting and says that both sides have improved their attacks and defense. He admits DDoS may not have a huge impact on the war, though. “It doesn't have a lot of effects with respect to the end goal, and the end goal is to stop the war,” Budorin says.
    Since Russia began its full-scale invasion, the country’s hackers have been caught trying to disrupt power systems in Ukraine, deploying wiper malware, and launching predictable disruption attacks against the Ukrainian government. However, Ukrainian officials now say they have seen a drop in activity. “The quality decreased recently as the enemy cannot prepare as much as they were able to prepare,” Yurii Shchyhol, the head of Ukraine’s cybersecurity agency, the State Service for Special Communication and Information Protection, said in a statement on April 20. “The enemy now mostly spends time on protecting themselves, because it turns out their systems are also vulnerable,” Shchyhol said.
     
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  9. gogator7444

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    Anonymous (which I guess really is more than one person quite likely) has been just hitting Russia repeatedly-- hacking TV feeds, bank information, soldier names, etc. On the side of good in this one.
     
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  10. exiledgator

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    True. I worry about the opposite script: Ukraine becoming flush with equipment, but no soldiers to use it all.

    We (the West) can't drag our feet.
     
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  16. tampagtr

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    Historical precedent. Belgian flooding of the Yser in WWI

    Yet the Kaiser's troops seemed to rise out of the ground. Fresh re-enforcements came to fill the frightful gaps made by our fire and our bayonet attacks. Foot by foot the Belgian army defended the soil lying between the left bank of the Yser and the railway from Nieuport to Dixmude, behind which it organized a new line of defence.

    It was then that the Belgians, in this pitiless conflict, summoned to their aid a terrible and invincible assistant the inundation of low-lying lands. The canals in the valley of the Yser spilled their water into the fields. The water rose and streamed along the German trenches; while on the left bank, where the level of the soil was higher, the Belgians heroically defended their positions.


    The Germans, threatened with death by drowning, rushed forward in a terrible offensive, seeking to break our lines, to conquer the dry land. In this unprecedented attempt they succeeded, on the 30th of October, in capturing one of our points of support, the village of Ramscappelle; but this essential position was immediately recaptured by two Belgian divisions and a few French battalions. This was the coup de grace.

    On the 31st, decimated, dejected, defeated, the Germans abandoned their project of crossing the Yser; they retreated, abandoning guns and mortars engulfed in mire, enormous quantities of weapons, thousands of corpses, and many wounded.


    Read the rest at the link below.


    First World War.com - Primary Documents - The Flooding of the Yser, October 1914
     
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  17. oragator1

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    it’s also self defeating. They lose the revenue, they further isolate themselves, and move closer to the rest of Europe telling them to buzz off on energy.
     
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  18. gogator7444

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    This really does seem like a Fox News set

     
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    Interesting mix
     
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