Except they'd already agreed to evacuations & humanitarian aid, etc, then have REPEATEDLY either violated it or made corridors INTO Russia. Does this guy actually believe Putin? Cnn live "UN says Putin agreed "in principle" to UN and Red Cross involvement in evacuating civilians from Mariupol From CNN's Laura Ly Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed “in principle” to United Nations and International Committee for the Red Cross involvement in the evacuation of citizens from the Azovstal plant in Mariupol, according to a readout of the UN secretary-general’s Tuesday meeting with Putin in Moscow. UN Secretary-General António Guterres also “reiterated the United Nations’ position on Ukraine, and they [Guterres an Putin] discussed the proposals for humanitarian assistance and evacuation of civilians from conflict zones,” the readout from the UN secretary-general's spokesman Stephane Dujarric said. Further conversations between UN United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs and the Russian Defense Ministry will be had at a later date, the UN said."
I hear what you are saying, but it would be a significant escalation to attack evacuees escorted by IRC or UN officials. I really don't see him doing that, although I'll probably look like a fool for saying so
Cnn live "Russia struggles to hold referendum in Kherson, succeeds in changing local government, Ukrainian official says From CNN's Andrew Carey, Paul P. Murphy, Julia Presniakova, Olga Voitovytch and Josh Pennington Ukrainian officials say Russia is running into trouble over plans to hold a referendum in occupied Kherson in Ukraine’s south as early as Wednesday. Ukraine has said Russia plans to hold a vote in the region to try to win popular support for the creation of a new entity called the Kherson People’s Republic, which would mirror similar entities in Ukraine’s far east, around Donetsk and Luhansk, which were created eight years ago. .... But on Tuesday morning, Ukrainian Interior Ministry advisor Vadym Denysenko said that pro-Russian officials were struggling to find enough people to facilitate a popular vote in Kherson. “They cannot even hold a mock referendum, as they did in 2014 in Luhansk and Donetsk, because they realize they do not have a critical mass of people [to support them], even just to get a picture for TV,” Denysenko said, adding, “Besides, there are no people who will be ready to work at the polling stations.”" ......... They also installed a new government led by a guy with apparent prior KGB ties.
They've already fired on buses with evacuees that were arranged through IRC and other humanitarian groups. So yes I see them doing it then claiming it's the Azov Nazis doing it, & using it as a "see we're the goos guys" event.
You have been following the closer that I have so I will defer to you. And I didn't read the piece closely enough. I thought they were actually being escorted, as opposed to using transportation arranged for by international agencies. If so, you run the risk of killing international escorts. That would seem to be to be an escalation. But I may have either presumption wrong
"humanitarian evacuation routes" right into concentration camps in Russia. Lovely . Assuming they are not shot on the way out.
No worries. That's been part of the whole "not believing Russia". Pretty much every corridor they've "agreed upon" has had busses stopped, rerouted into Russia, shot at, people shot & killed trying to get there, etc. As far as direct IRC officials being on-board? I don't think so. But they were arranged. Repeatedly. And with only minor exceptions people haven't been able to go. Thousands have & were sent into Russia for "processing".
This is what I was hoping for. Training in modern Western weapons so there's more available to use. Now get those pilots trained too!
I saw one mention about counter battery radar. To me that and long-range howitzers would be the key. I've read the howitzers are in process but counter battery radar would be the key. I think I'm remembering the name correctly
US, allies hustling to save Ukraine; Rand Paul says Putin only invades countries that are 'part of Russia': Live updates pos putin sympathizer.
In my opinion, he’s not a Putin sympathizer. He’s a consistent non-interventionist, damn near an isolationist. He was likewise against U.S. involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Balkans, etc. If this was 1941, like many Americans whom I would also would have disagreed with, he probably would have opposed our aid to the UK and USSR as well as our economic measures against Japan … right up until Pearl Harbor. Now that would not have been because he sympathized with Hitler or Tojo, but rather because he wouldn’t have wanted to involve Americans in deadly matters that don’t appear to affect us. I remember reading an exchange between a journalist and an isolationist member of Congress (no idea who) circa mid-1940. The journalist said something to the effect of, “Do you really want to see England laid to waste in the same manner as Poland, Belgium, and Norway?” The Congressman replied, deftly in my opinion, “That’s usually how that question is asked. Now ask me if I want to see dead American boys in the midst of that carnage.” And there is a good point there, but where I would have disagreed then and disagree now with Senator Paul is in the underlying assumption that if we sit back and allow the aggressor to have his way with countries that more closely share our values that in the end we will be left alone and have no terrible price pay at a later date. Paul is more or less stating that Ukraine falls under Russia’s sphere of influence and has for at least three centuries; consequently, we share some blame in seducing Ukraine into joining NATO and gnawing at Russia’s national security. I have a few problems with that. First, while Russians might view Ukraine as an extension of their country, Ukraine does not and is willing to fight as surely as we did to free ourselves from a foreign power. Second, NATO doesn’t go around recruiting; Ukraine came to NATO because it feared for its national survival, apparently with solid reason. Third, to follow Paul’s reasoning to its conclusion, we would have to likewise sit back as Russia imposed its will on Moldova, Finland, Poland, the Caucasian states, the various Stans, and the Baltic states. Four of those are NATO member states. How do you reconcile the notion of allowing Russia a free hand with its former empire and at the same time honoring Article V of the North Atlantic Treaty? In my opinion, Ukraine is the appropriate place to stop Russia right now. What is not a strategy is hoping that Russia will have their fill by gobbling up the lands unprotected by NATO and that they won’t cast covetous eyes on the Baltics et al, which they likewise view as an inextricable part of Russia.
Yeah, well, if you know a girl is about to break up with you, might as well take some initiative and save face.
