DeSantis vs. Disney

Give me a break. My dad did not serve this country so you could coerce people to take a shot for a disease they did not need or want.

This is politics. And if you want to be on the losing side of this issue because you believe in it. No big deal to me. I am sure you disagree and think I am no the losing side. That is fine.

We are in agreement that I do not respect your views. Views that would force someone to take a drug they do not need or want. There is a reason that people are moving to Florida in record numbers. And it is because of Freedom. If you think supporting a company that misrepresents legislation to push an agenda while filming in Xinjiang is about freedom…you have no understanding of what your grandfather fought for.

 

1. Regardless of whether the courts eventually tule against the state, I think it’s clear a retaliatory move violates the spirit of the constitution. More in #3.

2. This point is not relevant. Whether you deem Disney to be Californian and/or trying to influence policy doesn’t give Florida any right to punish them for this speech.

3. This is really the only part that matters. So far, it seems pretty clear, as the new legislation specifically attacks a small subset of these special areas including Disney, was prepared hastily after Disney spoke out, and is spelled out in basically a one page bill that goes into no details about how to carry out the act. If it goes to court, I’m assuming Florida will definitely argue it wasn’t retaliation. However, this part really isn’t relevant to our discussion here because you above defended the act assuming a retaliatory motive, and I’m attacking that very thing. If it wasn’t retaliation, then there isn’t much to discuss.

 

'If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun' The messiah

 

This is discouraging. conservatives have always been about ‘too much gov oversight’ . Now with maga followers, principles seem fluid.

 

Oh, so now they want to wear masks.

 

"Alex. can I have whataboutism for $500?" Be better.

 

Yeah, retaliation for speech the government doesn't like is a cut and dry First Amendment violation. IDK where people are getting the idea that:

"no law . . . prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"​

Is somehow limited to government-approved speech that is consistent with the edicts of the legislature.

As you say, the only plausible way this survives a challenge is if the courts pull the old finger-in-the-ears maneuver a la Trump v. Hawaii and pretends that they can't see a retaliatory motive, despite the proponents literally saying the retaliation is the goal.

 

Keep thinking about how DeSantis and the DeSantites exhibit the same pattern of disregard for the constitutional over and over and over again, and you’ll find yourself in my shoes, and realize the guy is incapable of handling his power.

 

Don’t say I didn’t tell you! People do business in a corporate form and if you can stifle their speech, you severely restrict the First Amendment. These right wingers are tying themselves in knots to try to support their oppression. I would hope these arguments are made in the courts by the State of Florida. They are DOA. If corporations can donate money to political campaigns as speech, they can certainly speak out on public issues without sanction from the government. So this fits within the rubric of Citizens United. Citizens United barred what was deemed speech. This punishes But the result is the same: to chill speech. I am tired of the argument. This falls squarely under Perry. But, this is the view that the right maintains in this country: speak out and pay the price. This is not yelling “fire in a crowded theatre.” It is not rallying insurrectionists where the speech is evidence of conspiratorial intent. The only value of the discussion at this point is that you can see how willing so many people are to sell out the constitution.

 

Yeah. Texas is just the place to offer a warm, tolerant and inclusive welcome to a “woke” company.

 

Right. We went to war to defend a political consequences doctrine, where government can drop the hammer in someone for speaking out in a public forum. You don’t even understand freedom. It isn’t the freedom for government to take away rights or benefits because if speech. Keep tying yourself in knots to justify it. Every justification you offer has already been repudiated by SCOTUS. They let Nazis march in Skokie Illinois thorough a Jewish community. Robust First Amendment.

 

You keep supporting the corporation filming in Xinjiang…

 

'We're gonna punish our enemies and reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us', Ron Desantis??

 

Again you seem to question their right to film in the place they choose. And it's fine by me if you choose to "cancel" them for it. But it is straight up fascism for the Governor to do it if they do not violate laws.

 

No, instead of talking about voters doing it at the ballot box, which is how things should work in a democracy, your authoritarian idol used the government to punish his "enemies" for protected political speech. But I welcome you to try to make this argument you're implying. Please go on.

 

I am not questioning their right to film where they choose. Just pointing out where they choose to do so…

 

Your dad sacrificed for his fellow Americans. You are unwilling to do so.

 

People have been moving to Florida in droves for many many years. Not because they didn’t have to wear a mask, despite what desantis says.