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DeSantis unveils his racist gerrymander

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gator_lawyer, Apr 15, 2022.

  1. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer VIP Member

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    In the short term, correct. But I doubt any court can do anything about the maps in the short term with the BS Republican SCOTUS is engaging in. In the long term, there needs to be state litigation as well.

    It's a bit weird to me somebody can sue before they've actually passed the maps.
     
  2. duchen

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    Federal law applies where the maps are not drawn in time. And they will be passed by the time of the hearing in May. DeSantis will argue to the three judge federal panel that the state should have the first crack at construing the maps under state law. And if the Florida Supreme Court strikes the map, he would appeal to SCOTUS to argue that the Florida constitutional provision violated the federal constitution or federal law. Given how little time is left before qualifying. I expect her panel to not defer to the state
     
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  3. gator_lawyer

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    Gotcha. I simply have a feeling that no matter what the three judges do that Republican SCOTUS isn't going to let it go into effect this election cycle.-
     
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    This map will be the map for November. There is simply not enough time to change it
     
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    Don't you freaking accuse me of racism you clown... If you define racism as having an open mind then that's on you... clown.
     
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  7. Gatorrick22

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    What malarkey... if by "no representation" you mean voting and your guy LOSING then yeah, we all know how that feels.
     
  8. g8trjax

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    Yep, America's chickens are coming home to roost. :emoji_joy:
     
  9. gator_lawyer

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    By no representation, I mean that DeSantis created a racist, gerrymandered map that intentionally eliminated Black representation. Racism is bad, m'kay.

    Sad that Republican politicians illegally diluting Black voting power is "America's chickens . . . coming home to roost" in your mind.
     
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  10. Gatorrick22

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    It's sad when anyone gets their votes diluted, but we shall see if the courts feel the same way you do about it.
     
  11. gator_lawyer

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    Worth mentioning that obscured by all the Disney hoopla is the fact that Republicans passed DeSantis's racist gerrymander. 538's analysis pulls no punches:
    The Extreme Bias Of Florida’s New Congressional Map
    This is about as big of a Republican bias that Florida’s congressional map could have — and darn close to the most egregiously partisan map in the country. The map has an efficiency gap of R+20, which means Republicans would be expected to win 20 percent more seats under this map than under a hypothetical, perfectly fair map. Because Florida has 28 congressional seats, that translates to a 5.7-seat Republican bias — right on Texas’s heels for the “honor” of having the biggest bias of any state.
     
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  12. g8trjax

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    Always watch the other hand...
     
  13. Gatorrick22

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    I'm not sure that we should ever have voting districts that segregates people into race... I say no to segregation.
     
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  15. gator_lawyer

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    Fighting "segregation" by taking away Black people's representation. That's an interesting stance, Rick.
     
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  16. gator_lawyer

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    That'll get overturned by the New York Court of Appeals (NY's version of their supreme court). But yes, partisan gerrymandering does happen wherever there aren't independent commissions drawing maps. It's a problem. But we actually took steps to solve that problem by passing the Fair Districts Amendments here in Florida. The Legislature complied with them originally. DeSantis vetoed that map and had them pass his own, which clearly violates those amendments.

    And partisan gerrymandering is separate from the issue of racism here. DeSantis's map intentionally stripped Black Floridians of representation. He diluted their voting power. That's wrong. It's the sort of behavior you'd expect from the days of Jim Crow.
     
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  17. Gatorrick22

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    No, but be mixing them in with other races like we've done in school for over half a century now.
     
  18. ursidman

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    Bug Tussle NC
    Was always destined to end up in the courts. Now we wait.

     
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  19. duchen

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    That is why the federal court will intervene and not let this get dragged through the Florida Supreme Court. Given the fact finding in the opinion on Florida’s recent voter suppression laws, this new map is in deep trouble.
     
  20. gator_lawyer

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    Except DeSantis is not "mixing them in with other races" by some coincidence. He's intentionally splitting communities to deny them the ability to elect people who will represent their interests. That's Jim Crow-esque. And it's not even remotely required. The Republican Legislature created a district in Jacksonville, for example, in its original map that would have given Black people a plurality and allowed them to elect their preferred representative.

    Before you start arguing some nonsense about how that was manipulating things, Joe Biden won Duval County by 4% in 2020. Guess how many districts in Duval County Joe Biden won in the DeSantis map? ZERO. The two districts that include parts of Duval County were won by Trump by ~7% and ~16%.

    How did DeSantis make that happen? He split Duval County so that the urban and suburban voters there would be stuck with the voters of the rural counties. That includes lumping in the urban areas with a lot of Black people in with Clay and Nassau Counties, instead of Duval County.

    In other words, instead of "mixing them in with other races" who live around them and vote like them, he "mixed them in" with rural Republican-supporting whites to ensure that Black people in North Florida would lose their representation. It also ensures that Duval County, a county that supported Biden in 2020, is represented only by Trump supporters. It's racist, it's dishonest, and it violates federal law and the Florida Constitution. But I have zero faith in Republican judges to enforce either.
     
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