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Bill Self proves cheaters do win

Discussion in 'Nuttin but Net' started by twodaparty, Apr 6, 2022.

  1. twodaparty

    twodaparty GC Hall of Fame

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    First the poodles win the title and now Kansas. If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying. That’s the saying right?
     
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  2. Gatorhead

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    One of my "beefs" about the powers at be caving in to the cheaters is that the same cheaters are put on a pedestal. Roy Williams, Bill Self, Coach K, Cal, ........... you folks know the deal.

    What a crock............. same in Football.

    Idealizing a bunch of damn lying ass cheaters.

    So YES, I agree with the OP. One of the rare sectors of American life...............Amateur Sports / NCAA - That whole set up that served us so well for so long, that offered at least some semblance of fairness and an even playing field, has been bought off.

    Yes I know the NCAA became a JOKE - but it became a JOKE because programs refused to abide by the rules and manipulated the press, the public and the game so "BOOSTERS" could go on the rampage, buying athletes.

    I don't blame the athletes, of which in the two principle sports, a large % come from socio-economic backgrounds rooted in low income, or worse, poverty.

    Football in particular takes a hell of a toll on the human body. The few that can "make it" have short careers to say the least.

    The NFL showed their true colors by the way they treated the older guys whom were broken, concussed and emotionally messed up. The league did little to NOTHING for those people for DECADES.

    I don't care what anybody on this forum says, if I'm a Gator Walk on or 2 or 3 star trying to make the team and (my) "NIL" deal amounts to $20.00 a year because "MOM" bought one T - Shirt, and say "Arch Manning" is a Gator with his 8 million NIL deal, - I would try to obliterate his ass on the practice field if the opportunity ever presents itself. People are INSANE to think this kind of special privilege does not have unintended consequences.
     
  3. murphree_hall

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    Aside from being a bad teammate, and bad person for trying to intentionally hurt someone, you would also get kicked off the team, which would defeat the purpose of busting your tail to make the team.
     
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  4. grant1

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    Back in the day, f$u defenders would try to hurt THEIR QB in practice. It got so bad, Booby had to put non-contact jerseys on the QBs. Mickey Andrew and his thugs.
     
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  5. Gatorhead

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    You are naive.
     
  6. murphree_hall

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    I’m naive because I don’t think it’s acceptable to try to hurt your teammate due to jealousy? Ok, call me naive then.
     
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  7. oragator1

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    Kansas is still under investigation. Let’s see how they come back before assuming they are bullet proof.
    Everyone assumed LSU would walk, and as of today they have probation, lost their coach and have zero players committed to,playing next year from their current roster.
     
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  8. BEH

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    Kansas will walk.
     
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  9. Ahab

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    Yeah, I don't see the NCAA hammering Kansas.
     
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  10. oragator1

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    maybe, just saying I would like to see it happen before getting mad about it.
     
  11. swoosh69

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    Makes it that much sweeter when we beat them. More of a UGA comment, but fine if basketball wants to join the party.
     
  12. Agator88

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    Louisville was the other main player involved right? Look at their recent track record, seems like Kansas has already rebounded and moved on compared to others involved.
     
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  13. oragator1

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    by come back, I mean how the ncaa comes back with their findings. LSU rebounded fine from the initial allegations too, now look at where they are.
    Maybe it’s the optimist in me, but in the last 20 years there has never been a better chance for the NCAA to send a message across all of the NCAA and I honestly believe they want this chance. By all accounts they have a blue blood dead to rights on the exact thing everyone despises, KU stuck their tongue out at the NCAA by giving Self a lifetime contract, and haven’t been fully cooperative. And they have the national title now as negotiation bait to use against them.
    If they were ever going to hammer a big program it’s now.
    We will see.
     
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  14. GatorLurker

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    Give me teams coached by the Izzo's and the Donovan's of the world. Great coaches and as far as I know do it right.

    I watched about five minutes of the championship game. I think Davis is clean and so I reluctantely wanted UNC to win.

    Self coached my MS and PhD alma mater (Illinois) and I hated every minute of it and was glad to see him go. Tulsa had a real record of great coaches with Nolan Richarson, Tubby Smith and Bill Self. I liked the first two.
     
  15. traubgator

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    UNC committed academic fraud of the highest nature. Not sure how this was swept under the rug. You had students receiving financial aid taking there BS African studies courses.
    Any university involved with this level of fraud should be hammered -- 100% lack of institutional

    this is mostly conjecture and possibly mixed with internet rumor - but i'm fairly certain the program started in the 90s.
    Why wasn't UNC hammered, little research points to this program beginning under Dean Smith, he took the idea from Roy Williams at Kansas.... They didn't want to destroy his legacy.

    Look most schools have joke classes, florida had leizure 2000, growing fruit for fun among some others, but a complete BS degree is entire another level.
     
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  16. oragator1

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    I despise the NCAA, but it was a curriculum offered to everyone. If the NCAA starts to legislate what is and isn’t valid academics for a university that’s a really bad path. They should have been hammered by whatever academic oversight group oversees them. Of course I don’t think that happened either.
     
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  17. GatorLurker

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    The NCAA souldn't be the ones hammering UNC for the joke courses. The accreditting people should instead. It is not the NCAA's job to monitor the content of courses.
     
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  18. GatorLurker

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    UF back in the early 1980's had a joke course that could be taken repeatedly. IIRC it was called something like "Adjusting to University Life". You had to be a varsity athlete to take it. I think it was one of the huge number of violations during the Pell era.

    We run a much cleaner program since then. Foley set us on the right path.
     
  19. jeffphillips21

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    watching the Final Four it was painfully obvious at least 3 out of 4 (if not Nova as well) - all cheat. Blue blood blah blah blah the players they all assemble, the amount of athletic bigs for one, is ridiculous

    And of course, as always, the NCAA, CBS and the fans - DON'T CARE. Never it is even mentioned, let alone discussed. Just turn a blind eye to the blatant cheating and pretend it's a level playing field.
     
  20. jeffphillips21

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    Yes a much cleaner program - for 40 years - while seemingly every other program in our conference and America has gotten dirtier.
     
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