War in Ukraine

Another thread worth reading

 

Yep I think that's the one Russia warned their networks not to air in that cnn piece I referenced. This isn't the 1950s, though, it's out there & it can be seen.

 

Think you are correct that this interview was the one they tried to suppress

 

Obvious speculation, while Ukraine may agree to Russian sovereignty over extreme eastern Ukraine, I cannot see Zelensky agreeing to the corridor between the eastern part of the country and Crimea. I think the best that Russia can hope would be recognition of Crimea as a non-contiguous province similar to Kaliningrad, a non-contiguous Russian oblast located on the Baltic between Lithuania and Poland.

 

If that comes to pass I can see Ukraine arming itself to the teeth in case Russia tries any more expansionist bullshit in the future.

 

This seems likely regardless of any outcome.

 

Trump wasnt giving a tyrant any excuses to launch nukes dude

 

So if Trump's trade war with China wasn't an excuse then and sending arms vs Syrians ( Russians) wasn't an excuse, and killing Russian mercenaries wasn't an excuse...... please explain how Biden has given a nuclear excuse now.

 

Trump would have just let Russia have Ukraine with no fuss. Problem solved.

 

Even if Ukraine agrees to that nonsense, we shouldn’t. No lift in sanctions until the following non-negotiable actions take place:

1. Putin dead, imprisoned, or exiled.
2. Removal of Russian forces, regular and irregular, from all of Ukraine; Russia reaffirms 1993 Treaty.
3. Removal of Russian forces from all of Georgia (yep, they lose that, too; call it the price)
4. Return of all Ukrainian and Georgian citizens taken since 2008

The following items are negotiable:
1. Extent of Russian reparations to Ukraine and Georgia
2. Future NATO expansion or lack thereof
3. Distance NATO forces are deployed from Russian territory
4. Security arrangements to ensure balance of power against China

 

Yep. Since when did we stand for recognizing authoritarians who keep pepper through rigged elections and who declare their intention to invade democracies to expand their vision of an empire? And then who do it. Absolutely correct statement. There comes a post when one has to stand for something.

 

I wouldn't automatically assume these things. If you look at China's younger generation for example, they're much "redder" than their parents. From what data I've seen, in both countries whole the elderly who lived through the worst of Communism are the most loyal to their current government, the youths are not necessarily more pro-west than their middle-aged parents.

We did ally with numerous anti-Assad factions in an attempt to remove him, short of a full-scale invasion I don't know how much harder we could've tried.

What do you mean by international community? Other than our allies the rest of the world have been rather neutral in this conflict.

 

The usual stuff international leaders do, summits, treaties, negotiations etc. A butcher like him cannot be welcomed back into those circles. He can't just end the war and expect everything to go back to where it was a few months ago. That ship sailed.

 

While it wouldn't surprise me because emotions are high, I wouldn't be surprised if it was staged by soldiers from the separatist regions.

"Ukraine promises "immediate investigation" after video surfaces of soldiers shooting Russian prisoners

From CNN's Tim Lister, Celine Alkhaldi, Katerina Krebs and Josh Pennington

Video has surfaced showing what appear to be Ukrainian soldiers shooting men who are apparently Russian prisoners in the knees during an operation in the Kharkiv region.

On the almost six-minute-long video, the Ukrainian soldiers are heard saying they have captured a Russian reconnaissance group operating from Olkhovka, a settlement in Kharkiv roughly 20 miles from the Russian border.

Asked about the video, a senior presidential advisor, Oleksiy Arestovych, said in an interview posted on YouTube Sunday: "The government is taking this very seriously, and there will be an immediate investigation. We are a European army, and we do not mock our prisoners. If this turns out to be real, this is absolutely unacceptable behavior.""

......Other parts in the article discuss that they've seen similar videos that have turned out to be fabrications but if legit then it's unacceptable. This particular one couldn't be geolocated (or whatever it is CNN does to authenticate)

 

*facepalm* for Pete's sake...

"Biden tells reporters he was not calling for Russian regime change

From CNN’s Sam Fossum

US President Joe Biden told reporters Sunday he was not calling for regime change in Russia in his off-the-cuff remarks a day earlier.

"No," Biden said, in response to a shouted question from a reporter in the press pool asking if he was calling for regime change."

 

Cnn live

"Zelensky refuses to sit down with Russia if they seek to solely discuss "denazification" of Ukraine

From CNN's Niamh Kennedy and Josh Pennington

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has refused to sit down with Russia's negotiators if they seek to solely discuss the "denazification" of Ukraine.

Speaking with independent Russian journalists on Sunday, Zelensky said Ukraine is not discussing the terms "denazification" and "demilitarization" at all during talks with Russia.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has continuously framed his invasion of Ukraine -- a country with a Jewish president -- as a campaign of "denazification," a description dismissed by historians and political observers alike.

"We won't sit down at the table at all if all we talk about is some 'demilitarization,' or some 'denazification.' For me, these are absolutely incomprehensible things," Zelensky said. "

 

He probably will still be doing that, just not with the West. For example, if you've been keeping up with the news outside of the West, there are some major realignments going on around the world, most actively in the middle east. The UAE just hosted Assad, a pariah like Putin not so long ago, and a first since the Syrian civil war. There's also a good chance that Syria will be invited into the Arab League soon.

As for Putin, there's a very high likelihood that China and India will attend summits with him. The upcoming G20 summit will be the first test. Indonesia is the host and Widodo has been trying very hard to separate the summit from the war in Ukraine. The Western members have been pressing hard to bar Putin from attending, while China has openly supported the inclusion of Russia. India hasn't publicly stated its stance, but they aren't even participating in the sanctions so it's highly unlikely that they will agree to exclude Russia either. Brazil and South Africa are also unlikely to support it.

There's a whole other world outside of the Western Hemisphere, and it's rapidly gaining in importance. IMO, we ignore that world at our own peril.

 

Developing ..... We can hope this is true and just the beginning.



Maybe just "paused" due to concern over potential sanctions.
EXCLUSIVE China's Sinopec pauses Russia projects, Beijing wary of sanctions -sources

The move by Asia's biggest oil refiner to hit the brakes on a potentially half-billion-dollar investment in a gas chemical plant and a venture to market Russian gas in China highlights the risks, even to Russia's most important diplomatic partner, of unexpectedly heavy Western-led sanctions.

Since Russia invaded a month ago, China's three state energy giants - Sinopec , China National Petroleum Corp (CNPC) and China National Offshore Oil Corp (CNOOC) (0883.HK) - have been assessing the impact of the sanctions on their multi-billion dollar investments in Russia, sources with direct knowledge of the matter said. read more

 

They're still going ahead with the new gas pipeline though, which when finished in 2026 will nearly quintuple the gas supply to China via Russia. Just to give you an idea of the scale, the deal for the current pipeline was for 30 years and $400 billion. They're also planning a 3rd pipeline via Mongolia that'll provide more gas than the first 2 combined. @chemgator might have some more information on this, as my understanding of these things are very rudimentary.

 

Cnn live

"Heineken to pull out of Russia

From CNN's Chris Liakos

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"Following the previously announced strategic review of our operations, we have concluded that HEINEKEN’s ownership of the business in Russia is no longer sustainable nor viable in the current environment. As a result, we have decided to leave Russia," the company said in a press release.

Heineken had already halted new investments and exports to Russia and had stopped the sale, production and advertising of its Heineken brand beer in the country.

"We are shocked and deeply saddened to watch the war in Ukraine continue to unfold and intensify," said Heineken. "We aim for an orderly transfer of our business to a new owner in full compliance with international and local laws. To ensure the ongoing safety and wellbeing of our employees and to minimise the risk of nationalisation, we concluded that it is essential that we continue with the recently reduced operations during this transition period," it added.

The brewer said it will pay salaries to its 1,800 employees in Russia until the end of 2022 and "will do our utmost to safeguard their future employment.""