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Discussion in 'Nuttin but Net' started by akaGatorhoops, Mar 19, 2022.

  1. gatordavisl

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    Yeah , I gotta stop picking them come bracket time - consistently let down ……
     
  3. akaGatorhoops

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    Talk all about 3-point shooters, there was only one hump...
     
  5. gatorblues

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    Yeah, and the cameras were right there to broadcast it. Soooo sincere. I’m sure his PR team didn’t coach him up to do it at all. Nope. Not at all.

    Plus, his team won. It’s his behavior after losses that is the problem. He should have been fired, especially after he refused to apologize publicly.
     
  6. gatordavisl

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    He apologized publicly. Was that not on your terms? Ask yourself . . . why are you so out for blood against this particular coach? I'd appreciate a sincere response.
     
  7. gatorblues

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    He refused to apologize the next day. He issued a written statement apologizing two days later because Michigan required him do so.

    I am not against “this particular coach.” I had nothing bad to say about him before this incident. After this happened, I read and saw video showing that he had to be restrained, nearly started a brawl, and was ejected against Maryland last year. Also, in this year’s incident, he didn’t punch someone making contact with him or who was at risk of harming him. He had to reach his long arm over those holding him back to take his swing. So I think he should have been fired.

    Why are you attempting to infer there is some other, improper motive besides his completely unacceptable actions as a leader of young men? Why are you defending “this particular coach” so vehemently rather than accepting that there could be a good faith difference of opinion regarding the appropriate punishment for a coach starting a scrum and punching an opposing assistant?
     
  8. gatordavisl

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    Because the hoped-for consequence by you and others is not proportionate with the act. But I haven't suggested anything vehemently. Apparently, you are reading the tea leaves, which suggests that my question struck close to home. ;)
    Why are you so intent upon blasting him for an altercation, but not willing to laud his good-faith act? In fact, you dismissed it. Ask yourself why.
     
  9. paidinfull

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    Pretty obvious the response you’re trying to provoke here, and it says a lot more about you than the guy you’re poking.
     
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  10. gatordavisl

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    Well, you're the first to charge anyone's character. I'm interested in the issue. Did you have an opinion about that?
     
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    SEC ?? I wanna em all to lose !!
     
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  12. wingtee

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    If it was coach White it damn sure would be . Promise
     
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  13. akaGatorhoops

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    I can answer for myself, though as I said… i wasn’t to passionate on the topic:

    I know if I punched a co-worker… I’d be fired.
    And so it irks me when supposed “leaders of men” are held to standards lower than that for which they are supposedly preparing their players.
     
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  14. gatordavisl

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    Did he punch a co-worker? Did he even punch?
     
  15. gatorblues

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    Not close to home at all. But thanks for confirming what was already transparent about your wordplay. You can say it. We all know what you’re insinuating. Of course, you don’t want to get banned, so you won’t admit it. Cute, but obvious.

    It wasn’t merely an altercation. It was his second instance of losing control and trying to engage in a physical altercation in just two seasons, and worse, he threw a punch. Striking someone gets you fired from very nearly any job in the country. I have extensive experience with the policies of employers of all sizes. They almost universally treat striking someone while on the job as a terminable offense. If you had a background in HR or, like I do, in employment law, you’d understand that his behavior would get virtually all of us fired if we did it.

    I’ve worked with PR firms for clients too. I’m skeptical that his embrace of the UT player was genuine because it’s exactly the kind of thing a good PR group would have advised him to look for a chance to do. He needed an image boost and he got one. If it was genuine, then good for him. But after three decades of practicing law, I’ve learned that there was a lot of truth to what my law professor said as the opening line in my first class as a 1L: “The first thing you need to know about the practice of law is that people will lie, lie, lie.” In short, I’m naturally skeptical, and more often than not, discovery in a lawsuit proves my skepticism to have been prescient.
     
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    There's another point here - them not only not being co-workers, but adversaries. Should John Chaney have been fired for going after Cal and threatening him? I'd argue that saying "I'll kill you" is worse than what Howard did to the WI coach.
     
  17. akaGatorhoops

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    What Howard did was worse…. Not only initiating a physical fight, but doing so in such proximity to players and fans. It was dangerous and inexcusable.
     
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  18. gatordavisl

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    Well, those are splendid excuses for dismissing Howard's good gesture. There are many others on board with substantial knowledge and experience not only related to HR or law, but in psychology, philosophy, and human behavior. From my expert opinion, Howard gave genuine love and care for a young man who needed it. I'm glad Howard wasn't fired. And with that, I'll depart from the subversion of this thread. Go Gators and SEC . . .
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  19. gatorblues

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    What makes you an expert in measuring the genuiness, or lack thereof, in his actions in embracing the UT player. I’d love to hear how you were able to ascertain it better than others simply by looking at the video.

    And so what if it was genuine? It probably was, even though I think there’s a material chance it wasn’t. That doesn’t excuse the fact that he engaged in behavior that would have gotten virtually every one of us fired if we’d done it at work. I never said he’s a terrible person. He may be a decent guy with a bad anger problem. But being a good person still wouldn’t mean he didn’t deserve to be fired.
     
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  20. OrmondGator

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    It was genuine. He's known the UT kid since he was in 4th grade and played with Howard's son.

    Howard didn't get fired bc he's a Michigan legend and a successful coach. If the UM fanbase didn't love the guy he'd have been gone.
     
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