War in Ukraine

Agreed, we are already in a de facto war with Russia. No shooting yet, but a war nonetheless.

 

I think there's enough mainstream support where it'd be suicide to side with Putin...except for Putin Jr (Trump) and his acolytes. That said, if this stays the course I think Putin gets killed/deposed or we're at WW3 because Russia isn't going to last THAT long in a full collapse.

 

Man, this thread gets more insane by the day. Everyone got war fever.

 

So are you suggesting this is a koombaya moment for the US and Russia?
Calling it and wanting it are two completely different things.

 

We're pretty clearly already at financial war with Russia

 

For someone accusing others of being pro-Putin, it is darkly ironic that you’re aping his technique of calling his opponents “Nazis.” For your awareness, when you do it, it’s just as accurate, believable, and likely to have the desired informational effect as when he does it.

 

I think we might soon see the return of “work from home” for those that have returned to the office and can work from home to reduce oil/gas consumption. I believe it was during the pandemic when so many worked from home and so many businesses were shuttered that we last achieved energy independence. It would not solve the spike in gas prices but it would decrease demand.

I am worn out from living in interesting times.

 

The RT editor and chief called it a day.

Maria Baronova fears ‘we’re on the brink of a nuclear war’ after quitting Russian state-run media over Ukraine

 

Just keep in mind who started this war. While the argument could be made that expansion of NATO was an error, there is absolutely no way that Ukraine represented a threat to Russia. The invasion of Ukraine is solely attributable to Vladimir Putin's goal of reconstituting the Soviet Union/Russian Empire, nothing more.

 

If nothing else the pandemic showed employers it's doable & not this whole evil thing some made it out to be prior to the pandemic. Or at least a hybrid format where folks go in once or twice a week then work remotely.

 

I could get on board with that. I think we proved during the pandemic that effective (key word) telework was possible in many cases. In mine, it’s a bit difficult to fly a helicopter, or supervise those who do, from home, but I agree, as another war measure, this would reduce the demand and have a positive effect on the issue.

 

I haven’t stopped working from home.

 

No Ronald for you.

 

Some movement on this front:

 

Neither did I but that's because of my health issues & my boss seeing I was effective. Plus the bonus she has me typing 7 days a week and available if she has a rush job needed. (I still work 40 hrs I just split them up)

 

Interesting. I would still bet that it’s supply chain related, because I’m not sure how, contractually you can tell people who paid their money to own a franchise that they can’t anymore, but maybe the stores there are corporate owned?

 

If sanctions are a kind of war, we are at war with a bunch of countries. I mean, I'm all for entertaining the idea that sanctions are akin to violence (and sort of a way of doing war without firing bullets), but have people thought through the implications, and what that says about American policy? Anyways the idea that we are 'already at war' seems to be a way of excusing further escalations in this particular case. Which is extremely alarming.

 

Everyone knows who started it. The only reason people keep "reminding" people is to excuse all kinds of chest-beating nonsense and past misdeeds.

 

No, I'm suggesting the more we think we are already at war because of sanctions, the more likely the conflict is to escalate into something truly terrible, a potentially disastrous result for the country and the world in general.

 

The "carnage" of a few hundred civilians dying? Do you know how many have died in each of the wars in the Middle East, Africa, and Asia in the last couple decades? While I understand the reality of white lives mattering more in this country, judging by the lack of "waking up" by the Middle Easterners, Africans, and Asians, I'd guess the answer to your question is no.

So your suggestion is self-sufficiency and cutting down on consumption. It's been tried before, by North Korea. Our economy is very much a consumption based economy, your suggestion IMO will be good for security but the economic impact is why we have not implemented it.

Sure, China would have less access to Iranian or Venezuelan oil, but they'd get access to more Russian oil. It's just a matter of supply and demand, unless you can significantly affect that dynamic you're just shifting from a more efficient trade to a less efficient one. In this case it also undermines our political and security interests in other regions.

China actually has been doing something similar recently re: Australia, banning Australian coal, wheat, iron ores, etc. They're instead producing more coal at home, buying more wheat from Russia, and more iron ores elsewhere as well as reducing iron/coal usage. There's some effect on supply/demand (producing more coal, reducing iron/coal usage), but overall the effect on the Australian economy has been minimal for the reason I listed above. At least the Chinese moves advance Chinese political/security interests in this case.

And you'll find workers where? We've barely found enough workers to truck goods around, yet you think we can just snap our fingers and re-open all the manufacturing plants? Those jobs are gone. The entire infrastructure and the workforce is gone. The cost of rebuilding 19th century industries in a 21st century 1st world country is absolutely enormous, and those who'd be most affected by the increased cost will be the most vulnerable members of the society. If you think we have social instability now, wait until your plan comes to fruition.